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  • Tbh, it’s not the worst thing when a service does that. There are cases where it is indicated - cartels, CSAM, etc. do not deserve a safe haven. The bad part about the France issue is the fact that the Swiss court system willfully allowed a case that was not per se illegal in Switzerland and had rather controversial legal grounds in France to proceed. This is very similar to the cases where Switzerland simply ignored their own laws under pressure from the US government in terms of bank accounts 15 years earlier.

    This is rather concerning and many Swiss legal experts did not share the opinion of Proton that there was nothing Proton could have done.


  • Switzerland never had solid privacy laws - and is known for intelligence service overreach for decades.

    They had a Stasi like system of “who to imprison” when “the time comes”.

    They listen to all IP traffic in and out the country - which is concerning in times of traffic pattern analysis. And they are known for their close cooperation with US intelligence services.

    Protons (and Threemas) claim of “soo good swiss privacy laws” is nothing more than swiss-washing. And they know it.

    Proton has already given away data of its customers (climate activists) to the swiss authorities. And only talked about it when the press got onto it.



  • Signal itself is solid. For now. The issue is that signal is a centralized infrastructure service that is based in the US.

    While it’s rather unlikely that something shady is going on and the current administration manages to pressure someone into installing back doors without anyone noticing, there is a growing chance that at some point the Orange Hitler or his cronies aim at Signal - and simply shut the whole thing down in a single sweep.

    Which would mean the whole thing is lost - in theory they of course could rebuild a foundation outside the US, but that would also mean they need people not residing in the US (not like Proton which claims to operate from Switzerland and in reality are US based) and find funding there - enough funding to cover the costs and that is not impeded by US pressure.

    This is the scenario that makes Signal a problematic candidate - and sadly the foundation is doing nothing against it.