The creator of Nearby Glasses made the app after reading 404 Media’s coverage of how people are using Meta’s Ray-Bans smartglasses to film people without their knowledge or consent. “I consider it to be a tiny part of resistance against surveillance tech.”

more at: @feed@404media.co

https://tech.lgbt/@yjeanrenaud/116122129025921096

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    I agree but the biggest defense for this is to always assume you’re being recorded when in public even if you’re not. You never know.

    The issue becomes relevant in private spaces, to me. Nobody with smart glasses is coming into my home.

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      Doesn’t this boil down to self-censorship in public? Better not critizise the government in public becaus you never know whos waring smart glasses…

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        I agree with the core of your point. I’d like to assert, though, that all people exert some level of self-censorship in public on the basis of the opinions of their neighbors and peers. Having to worry about powerful organizations like governments and megacorps also always being there (instead of just sometimes, or usually) adds a new degree of reason to self-censor, for sure.

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          Yes. You should have to censor yourself for neighbors and peers to have a functioning society. You should not have to do it for corporations. The line is pretty cut and dry and we should fight to keep it.

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      the biggest defense for this is to always assume you’re being recorded when in public even if you’re not

      So women in July should wear tarps?

      What posible application is there for this CreepTech?

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        I agree 100%, but a thought occurred to me…would these help lead to more arrest if assaults were captured on the cameras. It sucks that such an existential threat to privacy could do real good. Forces some moral and ethical issues that techno feudalism is forcing on us, and we aren’t making the choice.

        you should be reading more cyberpunk / scifi literature. There is literally the case for human action and freedom within the machine. And assuming that AI cameras are also the freuquent next step in police states. Do you really want this? Are you allowed to have ambitions outside the machine?

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          I would love for an AI machine to be all knowing and all pervasive. It honestly sounds like it could be great.

          Except definitelt not because we know 100% that nobody could be trusted to be in charge of it.

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          Ofc I don’t want this. But I look at my wife and daughter and their safety comes first hence the dilemma. And philosophy should be considered as well.

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        Those who would give up any measures of Liberty to purchase any amount of temporary Security deserve neither Liberty or Security.

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        would these help lead to more arrest if assaults were captured on the cameras

        It might also help find lost puppies, but that’s not a good enough reason to give up any additional amounts of privacy to the megacorporations or to a police state.

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          Everyone around you has a phone with a camera. Businesses and the government have additional cameras looking all over. The phone camera being less obvious and handsfree seems like an arbitrary choice of where to draw the line

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            I don’t know about you, but when I’m walking around all my phone camera sees is the inside of my pocket. Hands free stealth cameras seems like a perfectly reasonable place to draw the line.

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          And I think it just means anyone deciding to commit assault just also steals/ destroys the victims phone and glasses as a default

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    I just re-watched Ghost in the Shell SAC Laughing Man last night, and wouldn’t mind seeing these things get hacked with the Laughing Man logo replacing any face it was looking at, re-writing signs, etc.

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    I mean, eventually there are going to be people with camera’s stealthily integrated directly into their eyeballs recording non-stop.

    Like that black mirror episode letting people relive any moment from their past.

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      The wireless communication protocol will still be able to be intercepted. A physical port for data transfer will probably be too dangerous to the subject and prone to contamination (and infection).

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        I believe Bluetooth is always on with the Meta glasses, at least the last gen. They offload everything to the phone. I got a pair as a work gift and only use them as sunglasses with headphones built-in so I can listen to podcasts on walks.

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          My partner got a pair for work when they first came out (her job involves creating social media content). I was impressed by the speakers and it’s the same style of sunglasses that I normally wear daily, so I got a pair for myself. It was so nice to be able to listen to stuff and take calls without carry around headphones or putting them in when the phone rang. I was already uncomfortable with the association with meta, but was able to isolate that aspect at first. As they continued to add features, I’ve started being less comfortable with them. I accidentally left them somewhere a couple months ago and decided not to replace them. It’s such a bummer that all the cool tech is now not just spying on you, but on everyone around you. Fuckin capitalism ruins everything.

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    i mean… you can also just look around and see the guy with the dorky out-of-place classes…

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    I dislike Facebook and deleted my account even before they changed to “Meta”. I also value privacy.

    But what privacy violations do “smart glasses” provide that weren’t already trivially available? Tiny cameras are insanely cheap. A reasonably handy person could hide several on their person and there are plenty of “spy shops” that sell actual wearable hidden cameras.

    The “I love ICE” kid was wearing Meta Ray Bans but the first video I saw of it was from someone else’ camera. I can’t leave the house without getting filmed from multiple angles. The only thing those glasses do is make it really obvious that the wearer is a dumbass.

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      The difference is that meta glasses constantly upload to their creepy servers to do automatic face recognition.

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        EDIT: For all of you downvoting, this isn’t conspiracy or speculation. Just a few days ago the FBI publicized footage in the Guthrie case that was acquired illegally.

        True, but understand, every wireless-connected smart device you wear or interact with in any way is doing the same.

        Meta’s nonsense isn’t unique, and should be regulated into nonexistence, but unless you’re keeping your phone in a Faraday bag you too are being constantly filmed, tracked, and snooped upon.

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          No, my iPhone is not doing that because they give you a switch to turn it off and encrypt anything Apple touches. It disables some handy features but it’s a worthwhile trade off in my opinion.

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            I’m sure that switch disables it and isn’t just a presentation, but if you haven’t, get a faraday bag and keep your phone in it when you’re not using it.

            Cheers.

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      There is a big difference between available and normalized. Buying a tiny camera to film people without consent makes you a creep in a way buying a social media corporation’s product doesn’t. Pulling out a camera to film someone is a signal to them that they are being filmed in a way looking at them while wearing camera glasses isn’t.

      These glasses could change the landscape of our social reality. If they catch on, corporations will know your facial expressions, your location, and what you are looking at whenever you are in public, even if you have no account.

      They will learn the face you make when you are too tired to argue and tell the shops you’re heading towards that you’re an easy mark today.

      They will see a flash of defiance on your face when you hear someone say Nazi shit and change the video advertisements you walk by to ones that will make you feel powerless.

      And so the net is pulled ever-tighter. All we can do is try to cut our way out.

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        If I understand your response correctly, you’re arguing that the glasses themselves aren’t the issue, it’s the shifts that come with accepting the glasses.

        They may ironically have the reverse effect. I guarantee that corporations are already cataloging your facial expressions. Between Ring, Flock, Apple, Google, Netflix, Samsung, etc. there are many pictures of all our faces with rich annotation. Currently most people don’t even think about how thoroughly they’re being watched. These douchy glasses may actually draw attention to the matter.

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      The main differences I can think of are:

      • Better video quality
      • More normalized
      • Easier to get your hands on
      • They look like raybans and are brand name
      • They’re debatibly “cool”
      • Also Facebook is involved

      Basically they produce better video and are more normalized in society.

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        They can produce better video than some cameras but not as good as others. 12MP ultrawide is pretty standard on security cameras and they’re already all over the place.

        Do you think that the current smart glasses are making surveillance more normalized or do you think that they’re getting more common because we’ve already normalized constant surveillance?

        I’d point out that the PATRIOT act passed a quarter century ago with only one “No” and one abstention.

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        Let’s see how “cool” and “normalized” they are when police arrest the first guy recording around a playgound.

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      Found the fanboy.

      “HEY GUYS IT’S NO BIG DEAL NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT. I DISLIKE FACEBOOK BUT DEFINITELY DON’T SEE THE PROBLEM WITH THESE ALWAYS ON SPY DEVICES THAT ARE CONSTANTLY CONNECTED TO DEMONSTRABLY EVIL PEOPLE”

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    Well, my glasses don’t give off bluetooth signal or record but I’m afraid I’ll end up caught in the crossfire with my XR glasses on trains and planes. I travel for work so it’s nice to have a big screen to watch media on when I’m traveling for 20+ hours.

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      Not the purpose of the thread I know but would you care to share additional information? Model, price, comfort, compatibility, are they good?

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        I picked up the Viture Luma Cyberpunk edition for like $550 USD, they’re sold out now but so far I think they’re okay. They definitely don’t fully live up to the hype but that’s part of being an early adopter in the enthusiast space I guess. The app kinda sucks and it’s seriously limited, so if you’re looking for that 3DoF or lightweight use on the 180VR you’ll be out of luck there. The immersive 3d is a neat party trick and seems to work well enough. I like that function for showing off videos that I’ve taken while traveling or at work. They have built in diopters so you can get the focus right while you’re using them as a follow screen. For watching movies or playing games on your tablet while traveling, I think they’ll be hard to beat. They have apps for android, windows, ios, and mac. I haven’t tried them on PC yet but I’m hoping the pc app is far more flushed out. So far, comfort is pretty good and it seems like they’ll be okay for burning a few hours. I also work in a remote location with frequent weather days, so having a private method of watching big screen content in my cabin was a big selling point for me.

        Overall, neat little device, but it’s definitely quite early in the product development cycle and I’m excited to see what the next few years hold.

        Sorry for the incoherent bits and poor formatting, I’m actively falling asleep while typing this out. I’ll be more than happy to answer any additional follow-up questions you may have when I’m fully awake.

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          Not incoherent at all and I appreciate you taking the time to interrupt your beauty sleep to respond. ;)

          This technology space has a lot of promise but knowing when it is really ready for prime time is difficult to discern with all the hype. Sounds like it is close, or fully useable depending on use case.

          You hit all the key points so no follow up questions. Thanks!

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    now if i could get that app without a phone, and with a warning of nearby phones too…

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    This is fantastic, but from what I understand they use randomized OUIs, so wouldn’t they be undetectable or at least unreliable in detection?