• TrickDacy@lemmy.world
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    10 days ago

    The nicotine itself is not a carcinogen

    Not that cancer is the only health risk worth mentioning, but I wouldn’t count on this.

    The IARC monograph has not included nicotine as a carcinogen. However there are various studies which show otherwise. We undertook this review to specifically evaluate the effects of nicotine on the various organ systems. A computer aided search of the Medline and PubMed database was done using a combination of the keywords. All the animal and human studies investigating only the role of nicotine were included. Nicotine poses several health hazards. There is an increased risk of cardiovascular, respiratory, gastrointestinal disorders. There is decreased immune response and it also poses ill impacts on the reproductive health. It affects the cell proliferation, oxidative stress, apoptosis, DNA mutation by various mechanisms which leads to cancer. It also affects the tumor proliferation and metastasis and causes resistance to chemo and radio therapeutic agents.

    Source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4363846/

    Further, I wonder how anyone could possibly know for sure that inhaling the base product is safe. You need decades to know that AND to regulate the ingredients to be sure nothing bad is in there. I don’t know the specifics on today’s laws around the world, but I know this has been mostly unregulated for a while. And it wouldn’t surprise me slightly if people are getting known bad ingredients in products shipped in from China or elsewhere.

    Vaping is probably safer than cigarettes and I think that’s about as far as you can honestly go right now.

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      9 days ago

      I wonder how anyone could possibly know for sure that inhaling the base product is safe.

      The only thing we can know for sure is our own existence. So that an impossible target to meet.
      All we can say is that after investigating it thoroughly we have no evidence to the contrary.

      You need decades to know that

      Yes and this has been researched since the 50’s. As I’ve mentioned multiple times in this thread. It is considered safe enough to have been used in kindergartens to prevent respiratory disease, in asthma inhalers, and in machines to create stage smoke.

      Vaping is probably safer than cigarettes

      No not probably, because there can be zero reasonable doubt that vaping is only a few percentage the health risk of smoking. The research is very clear on that.

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        9 days ago

        Not a peep on the fact that nicotine probably causes cancer, definitely causes other health problems, or the fact that there’s definitely shit in this vape juice that no one even knows about.

        Pick a better hill to die on.

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          9 days ago

          Saying that vaping is “probably” safer than cigarettes, is decidedly misinformation, nicotine is a very well known compound, and is not considered a carcinogen. Everything is toxic in high enough doses even water.
          If you drink 4 liters of water quickly, your brain will swell and you will die. That does not make water a toxic compound.

          Seems to me that you are dishonest on this subject for some reason, mostly using arguments from ignorance. There are limits to the time I want to spend on that type of debate.

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            9 days ago

            You are adamant that vaping is safe. That is fucking absolutely misinformation. It is not in any way safe, not even close. You refuse to engage on facts you find inconvenient. Bye.

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              9 days ago

              You read like a child, saying that vaping is only a tiny percentage the health hazard a cigarette is, is not saying it’s 100% safe.
              Even 1% of the hazard of one of the most damaging things you can do from a health perspective is not a blanket statement that it is safe.
              But for perspective, I’d argue that vaping is less a health hazard than drinking a soft drink with sugar, and 10-100 times more flavor than is in a vape.
              You seem religiously misinformed.