Have you guys also noticed this? I’m not talking about “Oh my family isn’t privacy conscious” I honestly get that for ur average moms and pops, they don’t know any better.
the problem is with how these big tech companies effectively poisoned the everyday Joe to think that handing over ur data like a good boy is the norm and breaking out is “weird” and “too much”, this blame also goes on Hollywood.
Yesterday my friend called me " Mr robot" for just taking my privacy seriously I thought it was funny.
some people also fired their single neuron and told me “People only do this when they have something to hide”
These remarks that I face from time to time really highlights the mentality of the general society where if you break out of the norm, even if it doesn’t harm them, they would find a way to make off handed remarks about it almost like they’re dissatisfied that you’re fighting.
This joke is 2 in 1. Protonmail? lol
Ayep. Probably including where you live and what you do for a living.
I had to have a hard conversation with my wife and in-laws about posting pictures of my son online. They agreed but didn’t get it. Once AI deepfakes became common, they got it.
Once AI deepfakes became common, they got it.
Ayup. I try to tell my friends. It’s not how your data might hurt you today. It’s how it can hurt you tomorrow.
You might be 10 years old today. You could be alive in 60, 70 more years. After who knows what changes to law, culture, tech, everything.
Naomi Brockwell said something like “If someday we decide we hate red haired people, we will not look only at the photos people uploaded after we decided that. We will go back through the pictures people posted long ago.”
She was speaking metaphorical ofc. “Red hair” could be anything.
I mean it’s still probably beneficial for a lot of cases. Ad and tracking companies want the easiest route, which is just to farm the people who make no effort to improve their privacy (the majority). Sophisticated trackers do exist, and companies like Meta still do literally everything to get any last bit, but for the most part you’ll knock out 90% of invasion with even basic measures and like 98% with greater measures
I always gotta love the “why do you refuse the cookies? The site might not work!”.
Sweety I need you to understand that I do not care whether or not the site works. If it doesn’t then it’s not worth my time.
guhhh but I love cookies!
Also I’ve hardly ever seen a site not work because I rejected the cookies.
Well there’s nonsense like the guardian (I think?) =>Accept our cookies or they become a paywall. But in general I think it’s a sentiment people have that comes from not understanding what cookies are.
Not a thing with the guardian
Oh damn my bad, I read all the time and ive never had this… what browser are you using? Are you in the US?
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My ublock origin preferences seam to bypass this.
Also “I don’t want to use an adblocker, I find tailored advertising very useful”
Yes I love my brain being hijacked by big tech.
I personally find it easier to use a separate browser for anything I don’t need to be logged in for. It deletes all cookies when closed. No need to trust the untrustworthy.
“i have nothing to hide anyways”
“theyre tracking me anyways so it doesnt matter”
“i dont do anything illegal so i dont care if im being tracked”
these quotes make my blood boil
I’ve also heard
“I’m not important enough for anyone to care what I’m doing.”
I’m like honey this shit is automated at population scale. You don’t have to be important. You only have to be a human.
I’ve recently realized that people have no idea how algorithms work. It’s also eye-opening when you realize how poorly educated many people are and how bad the literacy rates are.
I’ve tried as hard as I can to help people around me. They just don’t get it. I’ve provided alternatives and told them they fund fascism when giving info away. I’ve been trying to help the “I have nothing to hide” club for 15 years now. It’s just no use. I have failed to convince a single person.
arguing that you don’t care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don’t care about free speech because you have nothing to say.
- Edward Snowden
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But that doesn’t give individuals a reason to take action on there own privacy. At least it should mean others will respect you more for valuing your own privacy.
I just go full anti tech, which people find ironic since I’m in the tech industry, and they poke fun at that
No matter what you do, no matter what you think or say, people will try their darnedest to poke holes at it
But what you *don’t * do? That’s pretty hard to poke holes at.
“I don’t have a Facebook account” is a brickwall to the conversion. That way in their mind, it’s not that I don’t trust the company, it’s that I don’t even slightly value the product. I have a damn phone, I have to am required to_ pay for the damn phone. It has group chats. What is the value of Facebook again?
Marketplace? I buy everything brand new and keep it until it’s dead
Doomscrolling? Bad habit, not interested
Family connections? I cut most of them off but maybe 4, who know to call/text
Now even thermostats are getting microphones and listening devices, which will absolutely be used to collect data on people from their homes see ecobees new TOS, and the new HoneyWell/ring camera integrations frankly I’m just done with the bullshit. I’m full blown get any phone home technology the fuck out of my house levels of done
But I don’t say that when people ask why I changed my thermostat from the $400 Ecobee, which was a standout feature in my home when they walked in.
No. I say “their servers kept going down and causing issues when I needed it to work”, because people who somehow manage to live without concerning themselves of targeted pricing or snooping practices do care about slight inconveniences, and for whatever reason “they changed their TOS to get people to agree to let them spy on them without legal reprecussions, and if you don’t agree they’ll lock you out of your account barring you from using half the stuff you paid to use” is less logical to their pre-occupied brains than “I got inconvenienced twice a year from down servers”
I just go full anti tech, which people find ironic since I’m in the tech industry, and they poke fun at that
It’s funny, because they’ve managed to draw completely the wrong conclusion. You aren’t anti-tech despite working in the tech industry, no - you’re anti-tech because of working in the tech industry.
The first thing I ask for when buying new appliances is what the have that doesn’t have WiFi or Bluetooth. I’m fucking done too!
If you think you have nothing to hide, imagine pooping with the bathroom door open all of the time.
Same issue with DNA tests. I tried to choose not to hand over my DNA so freely but my sister already did it. I didn’t get a choice in the matter.
Nice resource that goes over the main objections to people who don’t value there own privacy:
https://blog.rebeltechalliance.org/common-objections-debunked/
Thank you
Whenever I hear the “only people with something to hide” comment I reply “oh? Then unlock your phone, hand it to me and leave the room.” They always backtrack immediately.
This one is really good. I always say “then why do you have walls in your house” but it doesn’t work that well.
“Why do you have curtains on your windows” is a little less dismissable than “Walls” for future.
Gosh… why havn’t I thought of saying that
It’s scary to think about how the next generations are essentially being groomed to believe that these invasive applications and surveillance are just normal. But that’s the goal of the big tech oligarchs.
Same reason they try and say it’s only criminals that want to protect their privacy.
that’s what I’m saying, surveillance is the new normal, its trendy, opposition is being an “Extremist” and “Creepy”
“There is, simply, no way, to ignore privacy. Because a citizenry’s freedoms are interdependent, to surrender your own privacy is really to surrender everyone’s.
You might choose to give it up out of convenience, or under the popular pretext that privacy is only required by those who have something to hide. But saying that you don’t need or want privacy because you have nothing to hide is to assume that no one should have, or could have to hide anything – including their immigration status, unemployment history, financial history, and health records.
You’re assuming that no one, including yourself, might object to revealing to anyone information about their religious beliefs, political affiliations and sexual activities, as casually as some choose to reveal their movie and music tastes and reading preferences.
Ultimately, saying that you don’t care about privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different from saying you don’t care about freedom of speech because you have nothing to say. Or that you don’t care about freedom of the press because you don’t like to read. Or that you don’t care about freedom of religion because you don’t believe in God. Or that you don’t care about the freedom to peaceably assemble because you’re a lazy, antisocial agoraphobe.
Just because this or that freedom might not have meaning to you today doesn’t mean that that it doesn’t or won’t have meaning tomorrow, to you, or to your neighbor – or to the crowds of principled dissidents I was following on my phone who were protesting halfway across the planet, hoping to gain just a fraction of the freedom that my country was busily dismantling.”
– Edward Snowden
The really creepy one is stuff like 23andme where your genealogy obsessed extended family all does it and now they can statistically estimate your genome from your known family history and it’s all in a database for sale and Trump’s DOJ is likely buying
thank god my family didn’t use those services
thank god my family discouraged me from using those services back before I became privacy-conscious
I think people reject that it’s as bad as they’re told because that don’t like to believe it’s that bad, or that there’s no way companies would do that to them. People don’t accept being told “you’re making a big mistake” and to feel dumb about it.
That’s my take. I had somebody at work ask what I do regarding privacy and I realized I lit up with excitement to share and had to immediately dial it back to not freak them out. I started out small and simple and emailed them since basics after chatting. Said, if they wanted additional info let me know " so that it’s up to them to continue the journey (down the rabbit hole lol).
But just glad to see others gaining the knowledge. My journey wasn’t immediate, it’s gradual, so I have to be mindful of their process too.
Look, you might be saying it’s the fault of people around you, but look at what you’re doing here, you give out your real name without a second thought, Mr. Robot.
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Sometimes I dream of saving the world. Saving everyone from the invisible hand
Ask people that tell you that only those with something to hide care about privacy whether they shit with the door open or closed when there are others around.
