No. Copypasting pieces of existing code has been standard practice for human programmers since the beginning of programming. Deciding to call it “plagiarism” because it’s been automated is just ignorant.
Only to an outsider. Starting with an example and modifying it is a very standard, time-honored programming practice that has never been demonized that I know of. In fact it’s the norm for many contractors, who get paid for fast turnover and hugely benefit from taking an existing web page, module, etc. that’s similar to their goal and changing it, rather than starting from scratch. The idea isn’t to take credit, it’s to get the work done.
When you copy/paste a piece of code and somebody asks you “Hey this code is pretty awesome how did you write it?”, you usually say “No I didn’t write it, I just grabbed it from a site.”
Vibe coders on the other hand will actively tell you that they wrote it themselves when they actually used an AI. THAT is the difference.
I learned to code from other people too. Everybody learns to do everything from other people. Making that an argument against AI is just silly. That’s my main problem with AI hate - it demonizes practices that are perfectly acceptable when we do them without using AI. A lot of it is also misdirected - for example, AI doesn’t fire people, clueless managers fire people because they stupidly think AI is their ticket to career advancement. It’s like blaming a saw for cutting in the wrong place. AI hate is really the hollowest, emptiest crusade I’ve ever seen. The only valid arguments I know of are about the excessive resources it uses - which is true of a lot of other things (golf courses in the desert for example). But to me the ethical passion just feels manufactured, as if people desperately need one more thing to hate.
Yes, work done by people using AI as a tool. They’re people and he’s sabotaging their work. Yaaay! Fuck somebody up for using power tools instead of hand tools! The mob says it’s the devil’s work! Grab the pitchforks!!!
If they are commiting code they don’t understand, this is but one of the issues they are going to get hit by. They can’t blame the AI, the buck stops with them.
I don’t think you can be pro copyleft and pro-today’s-LLMs, which are used to wash away copyleft. Copyleft and LLM poison the code and downstream developers have to play nice.
Except that in this case it wasn’t been used as a power tool, otherwise it wouldn’t have been able to do anything without someone getting it to. It’s more akin to someone leaving a power tool lying around with a more saying “use this as you like” and then didn’t like that somone took down their garden shed with it.
As a software developer I have never heard of anybody saying, “polllute my code as you like”. It’s mind-boggling how people will excuse ANY behavior that attacks AI or people who use it. Anything a fellow AI-hater does must be right. Our Cause Uber Alles!
If you have an AI agent that you’ve given away your agency to to make calls like dropping databases or wrecking your code then you kinda did though. Perhaps you didn’t knowingly introduce these gaping security holes, fool me once shame on you and all that. Are you going to change your security posture and limit the LLMs access and reduce how much you let it do your home work for you now? Otherwise it’s on you next time it fucks up.
Mate, you’ve lost the plot if you comparing you letting your AI agents run over somone elses code base and getting screwed by it being in anywhere remotely similar to that 3rd party repo raping you. The rest if us were trying to have a serious conversation.
One blames a woman for dressing like a slut, the other blames a programmer for not doing thorough work. Both are victim shaming that ignore the attack itself. Simply scoffing at the comparison or at me isn’t having a serious conversation, it’s just monkey-puppet waving.
So now sabotaging people’s work because you don’t like how they do it passes the social media ethical purity test? Ok then.
‘people’s work’ …they claimed while plaigerizing
No. Copypasting pieces of existing code has been standard practice for human programmers since the beginning of programming. Deciding to call it “plagiarism” because it’s been automated is just ignorant.
literally the definition of it
Only to an outsider. Starting with an example and modifying it is a very standard, time-honored programming practice that has never been demonized that I know of. In fact it’s the norm for many contractors, who get paid for fast turnover and hugely benefit from taking an existing web page, module, etc. that’s similar to their goal and changing it, rather than starting from scratch. The idea isn’t to take credit, it’s to get the work done.
When you copy/paste a piece of code and somebody asks you “Hey this code is pretty awesome how did you write it?”, you usually say “No I didn’t write it, I just grabbed it from a site.”
Vibe coders on the other hand will actively tell you that they wrote it themselves when they actually used an AI. THAT is the difference.
Ai is just middle manager of plaigerism. it learned to code from other people. the vibe coder is just claiming ownership over stolen goods.
I learned to code from other people too. Everybody learns to do everything from other people. Making that an argument against AI is just silly. That’s my main problem with AI hate - it demonizes practices that are perfectly acceptable when we do them without using AI. A lot of it is also misdirected - for example, AI doesn’t fire people, clueless managers fire people because they stupidly think AI is their ticket to career advancement. It’s like blaming a saw for cutting in the wrong place. AI hate is really the hollowest, emptiest crusade I’ve ever seen. The only valid arguments I know of are about the excessive resources it uses - which is true of a lot of other things (golf courses in the desert for example). But to me the ethical passion just feels manufactured, as if people desperately need one more thing to hate.
The one vibe coder I know actively talks about specific things he has it do and how much time it saves him.
Removed by mod
Yes, work done by people using AI as a tool. They’re people and he’s sabotaging their work. Yaaay! Fuck somebody up for using power tools instead of hand tools! The mob says it’s the devil’s work! Grab the pitchforks!!!
If they are commiting code they don’t understand, this is but one of the issues they are going to get hit by. They can’t blame the AI, the buck stops with them.
I agree that committing code without checking it is sloppy work. But that doesn’t excuse fucking with somebody’s work.
“Didn’t anyone ever tell you to make sure your optics are clean?” - Kent in Real Genius
You’ve made Kent your hero. Congrats.
Guessing you don’t like GPL either. Restricting those developers down stream of you.
Your psychic powers aren’t working.
I don’t think you can be pro copyleft and pro-today’s-LLMs, which are used to wash away copyleft. Copyleft and LLM poison the code and downstream developers have to play nice.
Except that in this case it wasn’t been used as a power tool, otherwise it wouldn’t have been able to do anything without someone getting it to. It’s more akin to someone leaving a power tool lying around with a more saying “use this as you like” and then didn’t like that somone took down their garden shed with it.
As a software developer I have never heard of anybody saying, “polllute my code as you like”. It’s mind-boggling how people will excuse ANY behavior that attacks AI or people who use it. Anything a fellow AI-hater does must be right. Our Cause Uber Alles!
If you have an AI agent that you’ve given away your agency to to make calls like dropping databases or wrecking your code then you kinda did though. Perhaps you didn’t knowingly introduce these gaping security holes, fool me once shame on you and all that. Are you going to change your security posture and limit the LLMs access and reduce how much you let it do your home work for you now? Otherwise it’s on you next time it fucks up.
In other words, she was asking for it by dressing like that. Got it.
Mate, you’ve lost the plot if you comparing you letting your AI agents run over somone elses code base and getting screwed by it being in anywhere remotely similar to that 3rd party repo raping you. The rest if us were trying to have a serious conversation.
One blames a woman for dressing like a slut, the other blames a programmer for not doing thorough work. Both are victim shaming that ignore the attack itself. Simply scoffing at the comparison or at me isn’t having a serious conversation, it’s just monkey-puppet waving.
Lol. Lmao, even.