The cops who beat peaceful protesters are also (willing) pawns in the same game. Being a pawn doesn’t absolve you of your culpability and “I was just following orders” isn’t a defence.
I’m not capable of violence myself so I won’t pretend to support it. That being said, there is a whole process of dilution of responsibilities to make unacceptable decisions happen, if everyone plays nice and by the rules, nothing will happen. Past struggles have never been overcome peacefully.
My intention was that attacking the people doing to work of putting up the cameras is not moral.
Destroying the cameras and resisting the police is, IMO, moral. Escalating action against the people sufficiently high up the hierarchy of the system that they’re making executive decisions? Also moral.
Do you really think that the people putting a pole in the ground are the same people who decide to put them there? Are the same ones who make any decision in the process of advancing fascism?
People need food, and sometimes they have to do things they don’t really want to do for it.
Hell, they may well be some of the same people destroying them, simply so they can get more work, for all you know.
And how many lives get directly fucked because of each individual camera?
Would you not shoot a Nazi installing miniguns around the top of the white house? Sure, there’s “being forced into the machine”, but actively settng up their weapons is definitely at least one step too far.
Do you think the guys putting up the cameras are not also pawns in the games that billionaires are playing?
The cops who beat peaceful protesters are also (willing) pawns in the same game. Being a pawn doesn’t absolve you of your culpability and “I was just following orders” isn’t a defence.
There’s a big difference between being a cop, and being a contractor who sometimes has to put up cameras
I’m not capable of violence myself so I won’t pretend to support it. That being said, there is a whole process of dilution of responsibilities to make unacceptable decisions happen, if everyone plays nice and by the rules, nothing will happen. Past struggles have never been overcome peacefully.
My intention was that attacking the people doing to work of putting up the cameras is not moral.
Destroying the cameras and resisting the police is, IMO, moral. Escalating action against the people sufficiently high up the hierarchy of the system that they’re making executive decisions? Also moral.
I personally vote for being polite and cordial. Patiently wait for them to finish, then swat the camera right back down with a baseball bat.
Smile, then offer them the baseball bat and invite them to take a swing.
I’m picturing someone standing down the street, watching the camera being installed, tubing cutter or sawzall in hand…
That works
Sure, one beats protestors, the other helps them figure out who to beat.
At this point, you’re arguing which turd stinks less, when they all smell like shit.
Do you really think that the people putting a pole in the ground are the same people who decide to put them there? Are the same ones who make any decision in the process of advancing fascism?
People need food, and sometimes they have to do things they don’t really want to do for it.
Hell, they may well be some of the same people destroying them, simply so they can get more work, for all you know.
And how many lives get directly fucked because of each individual camera?
Would you not shoot a Nazi installing miniguns around the top of the white house? Sure, there’s “being forced into the machine”, but actively settng up their weapons is definitely at least one step too far.
Oh for dogs sake, are the guys doing the installation then staying with the camera and pointing it at cars?
Your analogy makes no sense. Attack the cameras. Attack the company. Don’t attack someone who is just putting a pole in the ground.
Whatever happened to “no war but class war”?
The ones installing cameras do point it at cars. The analogy still checks out.
Don’t act like the person pulling the trigger is the only one to blame in the process.
The guys putting poles in the ground aren’t the ones “pulling the trigger” though … that’s the cops, sat in their comfy safe control rooms.
Why would you attack fellow working class people instead of those who are doing the persecuting?
No more or less than your average palantir or meta employee