• NoFearFrontier@feddit.org
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      1 hour ago

      The funniest thing is germany, opposing nucler power, is importing French nuclear power generated electricity labeled as green energy. The hypocrisy is appalling.

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        39 minutes ago

        France is also importing from Germany when they can’t cover their own demand.

        It’s a collaborative network.

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      23 hours ago

      Well, yes actually

      France’s nuclear-heavy fleet keeps wholesale costs at €30–€80/MWh. Germany’s gas-coupled merit order pushes wholesale to €60–€120/MWh.

      <https://euenergy.live/articles/average-electricity-bill-europe>

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        21 hours ago

        The actual cost of generating electricity by nuclear power is not published by EDF or the French government but is estimated to be between €59/MWh and €83/MWh

        Does France also have a merit order “uniform pricing” system like Germany? Electricity prices are set by the most expensive producer, which is fossil by a large margin. This doesn’t reflect the actual cost of generating electricity at all, but favors the cheapest producer in the market.

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        Germany at €0.36/kWh average retail rate (2026 H1), driven by high tax + grid fees layered on top of moderate wholesale prices.

        The article you posted doesn’t say that it’s because of high electricity generation costs, but because of high taxes and grid fees. Don’t know if you wanted to make that point or just wanted to “actually” the OP, though.

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          19 hours ago

          No… that is on top of the wholesale price that I listed.

          It says so in your own quote.

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        23 hours ago

        Oh, that’s cheap, nice. Does that include liability insurance and running costs for the nuclear waste repository for the next few hundred years?

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            8 hours ago

            Energy taxes are higher in Germany too

            For households, yes.

            Not for companies - they profit far more from the cheap renewables.

            Especially companies which need a lot of electricity.

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              5 hours ago

              Maybe, but wholesale prices are still more expensive in Germany. And sure, solar is cheaper in the summer, but companies need power in winter too. And on days with little wind as well. That’s when Germany fires up the gas plants —and now apparently coal— and that makes prices skyrocket in the winter.

              So that is why the wholesale price of power over a whole year is cheaper in France.

              Not to mention the fact that German power plants emit millions of tonnes of CO2 each year and France’s emit water Vapor.

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            It does not. No insurance company does cover nuclear reactors and running the long term storage is not priced in. So, the costs of a potential disaster and of dealing with the leftovers are kicked to whoever encounters that problem at some point.

            If I ran a company like that, I could damn sure be cheaper than someone else too.

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              No insurance company does cover nuclear reactors

              Uhm… what? Of course they do.

              This insurance typically includes coverage for third-party liability, property damage, and cleanup costs in the event of a nuclear incident.

              Seems like you’re just making things up now because you don’t like to be wrong. Please stop arguing in bad faith, it’s not a good look.

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                3 hours ago

                Last I’ve read was that the insurance only covers up to 1.5 billion € in damages. That would only cover small incidents

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                  Yeah I don’t think insurance covers a Chernobyl size event, but that is increasingly unlikely to happen with modern reactors nowadays. We don’t build inherently dangerous reactors like the soviets did —nor have we ever.

                  The only large disaster in modern history is Fukushima in 2011 and to a lesser extent the three mile island incident in 1979. After each we’ve learned a lot and made important changes to plants worldwide to prevent it. But yes, there is a non-zero chance for a meltdown in current NPPs.

                  But it would take a natural disaster of epic proportions and I don’t think those are covered for any power plant, nuclear or not.

                  And new technology like molten salt reactors and thorium based fuels will increase safety even further.