You are in the top 5 for electric cost in the WORLD. Your industry is begging for relief as they go bankrupt, yet you keep defending idiot policies. Well more and more Germans lose their jobs you’ll pass the point of no return. Loser policies cause loser businesses. Oh well we try to warn you but you all think you know better. It’s simple economic supply and demand. CAPITALISM NOT SOCIALISM WORKS
Well that’s why fossil fuel plants are needed. How are those coal power plants doing? Those cause more cancer and now you have to rely on them more. No?
Coal is a fossil fuel. Gas is expensive atm because of the US/Israel war. Thats why they now want to use coal more. Its (a lot) worse for the climate, worse for health but cheaper. Actually quite capitalist of them…
Or what do you mean with fossil fuel plants? Diesel generators?
Well the reason the fossil fuel plants (coal, gas, oil) are needed is because nuclear energy was taken out of the equation. Look at francez they don’t have the same energy issues like Germany
I understand your position as: Germany has expensive energy because they are stupid and abandoned nuclear power.
While abandoning nuclear power before coal was certainly a bad idea climatewise (i’m even with you calling this idiotic, thank you Merkel), coal is not more expensive than nuclear.
The 20 cent/kWh the french have on their electricity bill is not an honest price. The operator EDF is state owned and constantly loosing money the state then has to put in again, so the they also pay with taxes for their electricity.
Also the more renewables are in the mix the less economic nuclear becomes. Nuclear is good when it can run 24/7 but not when it has to constantly change its output or event has to be turned off during the day.
EDF posted 5.2 billion profit in 2025, record 11 billion profit in 2024. Where do you see them losing money? Imagine having lower prices and more profit while having clean energy? Nuclear is a part of that formula ESPECIALLY for an industrial country like Germany. Alas, Germany went the other way and it’s people will fail to realize the consequences of this until it is irreparable. Industry will die, people will be poorer and Germany will be worse of. We can see this in 10 years. German auto makers already can’t compete (literally can’t make cars cheaper due to electricity cost that need to be passed down to consumer) with Chinese automakers. This is simple economics no?
Also they need to invest $542 billion by 2040. They have mostly 30 years old reactors which need a lot of maintenance.
And they now have to compete with solar/wind.
All of Germans automotive companies trimmed hair count. They can’t cut electricity cost. These companies are on a downward spiral heading towards extinction and the German public is the cause of it. Instead of these companies focusing on competing with China, the insane electricity costs are forcing them to figure out how to even compete at all.
I love German cars and I would hate for them to disappear, but when the entire government and public is so idiotic what so we expect? It’s over for them. It’s over for German manufacturing. Hopefully you all blame yourselves this time instead of others!
I concur that our politicians are a bunch of right wing cunts. But the rest you’re writing is drivel. Socialism is the only thing keeping the people happy. Capitalism only makes the capital-holders happy. And yes, electricity is expensive here but not because of the bullshit you shat on your keyboard, rather because of:
Taxes - we have super high taxes on electricity. This is OK, because taxes ensure that we can all live decent lives here.
Costs for expanding the electrical grid - this is inevitable as more and more electricity is consumed. These aren’t sunk costs however.
Electricity market - the price is based on the most expensive currently required form of electricity, which is gas. Nuclear power would make this more expensive.
The conservative cunts who want to stick with gas are the corrupt fucks that ruin it for us.
Idk, renewables won’t help you when the sun’s not shining in the winter. Renewables won’t help you when the winds are calm in the winter. When the winter comes and you need to heat your own home, you like all the rest of your countrymen will be depending on fossil fuels. Don’t forget about the future heat waves Europe’s about to experience, you will need more electricity to cool down your homes because you did not have the foresight like Americans who actually think that summers are hot and need to cool people. That’s the difference is you need to think!
My friend look at how many poor people died in Europe because there was no investment in the electrical grid and into cooling your cities. In the USA we would not allow that to happen because capitalism actually cares for people’s well-being and people know that they wanted to stay cool so they were able to buy that. In Europe, your regulations don’t allow you to do anything and there is no innovation and so people died. This is no different than what happened in communist Russia when so many people die because there’s no food because there was no innovation. Truly, all those that have died are just caused by more socialist practices. It really makes me sick to my stomach how Europeans are just okay with many people dying in the streets because of the heat when the USA has proven that you could cool down cities. You just do it. You open up the free market and capitalism will fix it all for you people!
You are in the top 5 for electric cost in the WORLD. Your industry is begging for relief as they go bankrupt, yet you keep defending idiot policies. Well more and more Germans lose their jobs you’ll pass the point of no return. Loser policies cause loser businesses. Oh well we try to warn you but you all think you know better. It’s simple economic supply and demand. CAPITALISM NOT SOCIALISM WORKS
then why does the state always have to subsidize nuclear power? dont scream at us.
Well that’s why fossil fuel plants are needed. How are those coal power plants doing? Those cause more cancer and now you have to rely on them more. No?
Coal is a fossil fuel. Gas is expensive atm because of the US/Israel war. Thats why they now want to use coal more. Its (a lot) worse for the climate, worse for health but cheaper. Actually quite capitalist of them…
Or what do you mean with fossil fuel plants? Diesel generators?
Well the reason the fossil fuel plants (coal, gas, oil) are needed is because nuclear energy was taken out of the equation. Look at francez they don’t have the same energy issues like Germany
I understand your position as: Germany has expensive energy because they are stupid and abandoned nuclear power.
While abandoning nuclear power before coal was certainly a bad idea climatewise (i’m even with you calling this idiotic, thank you Merkel), coal is not more expensive than nuclear.
The 20 cent/kWh the french have on their electricity bill is not an honest price. The operator EDF is state owned and constantly loosing money the state then has to put in again, so the they also pay with taxes for their electricity.
Also the more renewables are in the mix the less economic nuclear becomes. Nuclear is good when it can run 24/7 but not when it has to constantly change its output or event has to be turned off during the day.
EDF posted 5.2 billion profit in 2025, record 11 billion profit in 2024. Where do you see them losing money? Imagine having lower prices and more profit while having clean energy? Nuclear is a part of that formula ESPECIALLY for an industrial country like Germany. Alas, Germany went the other way and it’s people will fail to realize the consequences of this until it is irreparable. Industry will die, people will be poorer and Germany will be worse of. We can see this in 10 years. German auto makers already can’t compete (literally can’t make cars cheaper due to electricity cost that need to be passed down to consumer) with Chinese automakers. This is simple economics no?
They still are 50 billion euros in debt: https://www.edf.fr/en/2025-annual-results
Also they need to invest $542 billion by 2040. They have mostly 30 years old reactors which need a lot of maintenance. And they now have to compete with solar/wind.
Also see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levelized_cost_of_electricity
How much of a car cost is electricity cost vs labor cost? I suspect the latter to me much higher.
Well labor cost can be cut. https://amp.dw.com/en/germany-car-industry-job-cuts-bmw-volkswagen-mercedes-audi-porsche-china-ev-graphics/a-78168695
All of Germans automotive companies trimmed hair count. They can’t cut electricity cost. These companies are on a downward spiral heading towards extinction and the German public is the cause of it. Instead of these companies focusing on competing with China, the insane electricity costs are forcing them to figure out how to even compete at all.
I love German cars and I would hate for them to disappear, but when the entire government and public is so idiotic what so we expect? It’s over for them. It’s over for German manufacturing. Hopefully you all blame yourselves this time instead of others!
I concur that our politicians are a bunch of right wing cunts. But the rest you’re writing is drivel. Socialism is the only thing keeping the people happy. Capitalism only makes the capital-holders happy. And yes, electricity is expensive here but not because of the bullshit you shat on your keyboard, rather because of:
Taxes - we have super high taxes on electricity. This is OK, because taxes ensure that we can all live decent lives here.
Costs for expanding the electrical grid - this is inevitable as more and more electricity is consumed. These aren’t sunk costs however.
Electricity market - the price is based on the most expensive currently required form of electricity, which is gas. Nuclear power would make this more expensive.
The conservative cunts who want to stick with gas are the corrupt fucks that ruin it for us.
Idk, renewables won’t help you when the sun’s not shining in the winter. Renewables won’t help you when the winds are calm in the winter. When the winter comes and you need to heat your own home, you like all the rest of your countrymen will be depending on fossil fuels. Don’t forget about the future heat waves Europe’s about to experience, you will need more electricity to cool down your homes because you did not have the foresight like Americans who actually think that summers are hot and need to cool people. That’s the difference is you need to think!
My friend look at how many poor people died in Europe because there was no investment in the electrical grid and into cooling your cities. In the USA we would not allow that to happen because capitalism actually cares for people’s well-being and people know that they wanted to stay cool so they were able to buy that. In Europe, your regulations don’t allow you to do anything and there is no innovation and so people died. This is no different than what happened in communist Russia when so many people die because there’s no food because there was no innovation. Truly, all those that have died are just caused by more socialist practices. It really makes me sick to my stomach how Europeans are just okay with many people dying in the streets because of the heat when the USA has proven that you could cool down cities. You just do it. You open up the free market and capitalism will fix it all for you people!