You would have another browser engine at your fingertips; with all its upsides and downsides. Outside of the Apple world there are no really usable webkit based browsers (even though it originated from Linux).

To be fair, it is not sponsorship. Kagi pays for a service they use. And since this is just one of many sources, this is likely also a relatively small amount of money. If they would deliberately pay more than what they use to “do something good” for yandex, then sure, it would be a much bigger issue.

The only seriously usable webkit based browsers are on OSX or iOS. So far this looks like a best shot at having a cross platform browser with all necessary features to become mainstream and which is based on webkit.

If that helps erode the chromium monopoly, it’s a win.

Drawing attention

From an acceptance point of view there is no difference in forcing providers to implement an API to talk to your device or forcing providers to talk to a central service (or at least any service implementing a certain interface).

If the goal was for more surveillance, they could have immediately gone for that route.

They could also have kept the current “ask the user” approach and mandated website providers to store these information. That would have been a much smaller step and would have brought them closer to big brother as well.

Now they went for an approach that takes a step away from what we already have, making it more privacy friendly. Websites don’t have to ask (and potentially store) your birthday anymore and can still stay compliant.

The US bills I have read also don’t enforce any real age (how could they). They require the birthday to be stored on the device for the device to reply with the info if the user is within a certain age bracket. But nowhere did I see anything that would force users to store their truthful birthday. All that it would do is making the already existing age checks much more convenient and giving parents the opportunity to make them slightly more secure.

Isn’t that level already socially normalized? Every second website asks me for my birthday to derive my age for as long as I can think. Many of them ask me basically every time I use them (even Steam, where I am logged in and my payment history alone should imply that I am old enough).

How would the current approach help?

Its not invasive yet (no third party, no ID, no verification; its basically just another user controlled date field that is not even exposed). So it is not lowering any barrier in that regard.

It’s also not a helpful intermediary step for harder measures, because as soon as you want a third party to do attestation, storing that on a user controlled device is just unnecessary complexity and risk of circumvention. It would be easier and safer (for those introducing it) to just let the attesting party talk to the providers directly.

The comment you answered to said not all software has to implement age checks; only those who actually deal with age relevant content. You said it would be a foot in the door. So… who’s foot to do what?

Who exactly gains anything from forcing lets say Krita to implement an age check?

No. Because the information is user provided and unverified, so there’s no reason to lock anything down that could increase security. Once they want attestation, they need a third party service involved, in which case the device being part of the trust-chain doesn’t make sense anymore.

Heh, yeah. I had to fix that earlier this year on another machine, but that one was ooold and went through a bunch of upgrades so I figured it was due to its age (even though I still didn’t get how they could be so lazy to not automate this process as part of the update or … well… slim down the rescue tools again). But then they apparently didn’t even care enough to release a new installer that prevents the issue. So they either don’t give a crap or even do it deliberately to break Win 10 in favor of Win 11. Either case: that’s not what I pay for.

Just this weekend I had the pleasure of installing Win 10 on a blank disk. The install went ok, but then it bothered me logging into the MS Account. After cursing for a while and since it wasn’t my PC, I gave in. I know I can fight it, but it’s not worth it here. Then it continued trying to get me to consent to all kinds of shit. NO, I DON’T WANT FUCKING OFFICE AND I DON’T WANT MY FILES IN ONEDRIVE you assholes!

Then it forces me to choose a PIN for “secure login”. DUDE! That motherfucking PC is used for a bit of office work and gaming. Just let these poor people boot up the machine and use it! 0000? Too simple. 1234 too. Fuck you, MS. Ok, random PIN and a sticky note it is, asshats.

Anyway, after getting it to fuck off, I continue to the desktop. Oh wow, 10 updates and a ton of missing drivers? It’s a fresh install! What the fuck did it install?! Of course the installation of all these updates takes an hour and countless restarts… AFTER A FRESH INSTALL! Not even my overblown super slow Ubuntu server takes that long for updates; and that runs on a HDD not a SSD like that PC I set up.

But wait. One update failed. Why? Ah, the rescue partition is too small… THE ONE THAT DUMB SON-OF-BITCH CREATED ON ITS OWN AS PART OF THE INSTALL! How to fix? Ah, execute a bunch of commandline foo with diskpart and other tools. Wait, isn’t that exactly the kind of shit that Windows fans laugh about when looking down on us Linux nerds?!

So … ugh … just one simple anecdote of why Windows can fuck off.

I still rank OSX higher, simply because it’s at least consistent. Windows is a fucking mess.