• frog_brawler@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    China WILL win the AI race and that’s because they invested in infrastructure and their power grid.

    The US could have done that too, but we gave the money to billionaires instead. Building a surveillance state doesn’t fix any of the mistakes we made and they’ll still win the AI race.

    • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org
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      2 hours ago

      Not that. Because their IP and copyright and patent laws are softer, and also more bendable. In practice those laws don’t matter much.

      Now “AI”, surveillance and such are ways to bypass those stricter laws on IP in the west. Technologies exist in some socioeconomic context. A big company doing surveillance and “AI” breaking those laws doesn’t expose that it breaks those laws often, and when it does, it can sustain pressure to get its way.

      So the appeal of these technologies is to launder data. Which is, fundamentally, same as perfect obfuscation of executable code. And other such things.

      That’s money against right, money wants no reverse engineering, no alternative compatible software, no examination of what their stuff does, and no responsibility for the data used. While in right, of course, examination and compatible tools being possible and verifiable supply chain and so on are basic for industrial civilization.

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      2 days ago

      Not to sound like a tankie but China has made smarter decisions with regard to power generation. The current shift away from renewables (and shift back to fossil fuel) AND more reliance on central power generation are great for billionaires but just dumb for every other reason. And with the what appears to be advancing in battery technology more distributed solar cells with local storage would free up more power for the power hungry data centers. Not to mention the AI programs there are not run by douchebags like Sam Altman and Mustafa Suleyman.

      I also think the current path of AGI study via more advanced LLM research is the wrong path. A language generator is never going to be “smart”. But what do I know, I don’t have billions of dollars and lie constantly.

      • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        It’s not Tankie to admit aspects of reality. China is doing some things well. China has spent the last 20 years investing in itself, America has spent the last 20 years investing in other countries for a possible ROI for the military-industrial complex.

        What would be Tankie would be to then extrapolate from that and say they’re actually the best state in the world and anyone who says otherwise is a imperialist brainwashed pigdog.

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        2 days ago

        So we need to start covert anti-corruption efforts n China, since China will win, we don’t want a single party member destroying the world…I don’t know what we can actually do, but it is crucial for the human race that China develops more benevolent values if at all possible.

        • I don’t know what we can actually do

          Make it easier for Chinese Nationals to study abroad, educate them on the idea of government transparency, separation of powers, checks and balances, the idea that government legitimacy comes from the people, idea of social contract, etc… Hope they bring back the knowledge to fix the country from within.

          (Btw, Overseas Chinese helped topple the Qing Regime and ended monarchism.)

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            1 day ago

            I get a sense that in the CCP, you wouldn’t get into any position with actual influence unless your peers and superiors have some leverage on you (they know you’ve done done shady shit which they can expose if you become a nuisance).

            So in that way, actually interparty radicalism is curtailed.