burn your clothes too…and don’t forget to cleanse your intestines…you never know :D oh oh and screening for the sexually transmitted spyware.
Shit like this used to happen informally, and quietly. Now it’s splashed all over the internet, only because someone wanted it to be.
But otherwise it was a great trip!
Trump probably thinks he’s above the rules, so of course he’d want to keep the solid gold microphone Xi gave him with the plaque that says “The Greatest Speeches Ever.”
He probably thinks it would look great on his desk.
The Chinese probably gave them normal gifts, pins, and phones because why waste money on tech when top secret files are stored in the bathroom and POTUS tweets sensitive information?
Yeah right. The CCP is probably the most decitful government in the world. As bad as the US government is (and it is) the CCP follows through with nothing. I thought it was pretty funny that they had American flags all over, it’s illegal every other day if the year.
You’re losing and you know it
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probably want his launch codes.
It’s tRump. He probably has the codes written in a post-it note that’s attached to his bedroom TV frame.
We can at least hope that somebody, even in this administration, knew better than to give him the real codes.
“Yes sir, here’s the nuclear codes: FCKGW-RHQQ2-YXRKT-8TG6W-2B7Q8.”
Man, I don’t need to know your Windows 7 product key again my dude.
We all know the nuclear codes, he says them on TV all the time. Person, Man, Woman, Camera, TV, Squirrel
The dementia test is also the only code he can still remember. If they ever change the test he’ll fail.
Beginning with FCKGW like fuck G.W. (George W. Bush)
I have $20 that says Drumpf keeps some tacky piece of shit with a bug in it
For trump China does not need any secret spying devices. They know his motivation. They just need to flash their bankroll.
Throw away air force one and the president while you are at it.
Trump is as leaky as a sieve actually telling him anything would constitute a national security violation so he probably doesn’t know anything.
Uh duh? Pretty normal procedure when visiting foreign governments.
However the problem isn’t the support staff, it’s the moron leaders that are the problem. I bet 100 bucks that Trump kept at least a gift that contains a spy equipment.
Him? Keep gifts that almost certainly contain spy equipment? He’d never do that. Certainly not giant, 747 sized ones.
MAGA’s dear leader is the spy equipment
Didn’t one of the Clintons do just that, too?
But keeping a jet aircraft from another nation is totally ok… got it :)
I can assure you FBI scanned it for secret cameras.
Yeah but this is the fbi right now
Kra$h, Patel!
The FBI missed a passive bug that hung in the office of the US ambassador to Russia for 7 years.
Don’t count them out yet
Fascinating stuff: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device)
This is the idea that inspired RFID.
This is old ASF, if you don’t think we can’t detect these then 😂😂😂
tech is tech. if it’s able to not be detected then it’s able to be not detected now.
This is assuming one country is lagging behind their advancements. Most countries are finally catching up to our tech made in the 90s my dude.
I’m not gonna quibble with the details of that wild exaggeration, but I hope we can agree China is absolutely not one of those countries.
If anything, we’re lagging behind them.
Sure, in terms of infrastructure. Their military is still playing catch up and Venezuela and Iran both used Chinese defense tech.
China is good at reverse engineering - it’s what they do, but temu tech isn’t the same as the original.
or it assumes they advance at the same rate. that’s my entire point.
Why do you think it works like that? They know what it is and how it works, so they know what to look for.
Modern version would be a silicon device not using any metal, that has a very low power mechanism (perhaps mechanical/chemical) that wakes it up much later where it then works as a bug. For example.
i’m saying they grow at the same rate.
Who “they”? Security services are not the hive, It’s not like everyone knows everything pr never misses anything. Or do you think it’s like a game where you unlock the “passive listening device countermeasures” technology and suddenly 100% bugs across the country are found and new bugs can’t be planted?
Or do you think it’s like a game where you unlock the “passive listening device countermeasures” technology
Kinda, yes. Now that everyone knows how it works, and they will, because intelligence agencies share this stuff with their allies, it would become a lot harder to pull the same trick again.
Do you know what ‘passive’ means? It’s a basically a mirror for a specific frequency. There’s no way to “detect” it other than tearing apart whatever it’s hidden in.
The fact that it was made with 1960’s Soviet analog tech should tell you that China could plausibly make something better and smaller now.
There’s no way to “detect” it other than tearing apart whatever it’s hidden in.
The Wikipedia article describes how they detected it at the time, with two different mathods. It was first stumbled onto accidentally then there was a focused attempt to pinpoint the source which was successful. Now that technique can be used any time a thorough check is required.
It would certainly be detectable. You could do an X-ray, sweep the RF spectrum and see the energy disappear at the right frequency, things like that.
They had that tech in the 60s too.
Also when the bug was in operation it was definitely not passive. It was being fed by what must have been a really strong signal to power it, and transmitted the results back.
I feel like it is entirely plausible to miss something when scanning, I believe it is extremely plausible to miss something when scanning an entire jet aircraft, regardless of the skills of the personnel involved.
I mean “The Thing” wasn’t detected for seven years. It’s always possible to miss a listening device.
I feel like I had to have heard of this device before, but that article was a fascinating read - thank you!
I think people still think of China as a second tier sometimes, but from what I have seen their technology is likely at least equal to ours, and I would imagine the West and China both surpass each other in different technological categories.
Lol China is far superior to our tech. They get to manufacture everything we design. Then get to ponder on improvements. Not to mention their “students” in all our universities.
I wasn’t sure if this was going to be a radio interference post, or John Carpenter
The dog peeling like a banana was what convinced me…
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A jet has multiple integrated digital systems meaning it would be super easy to hide things within the wiring or on circuit boards, which is exactly what security professionals said when they accepted the plane - it could never be made truly safe without being gutted - but they didn’t listen.
By “the FBI scanned”, they probably mean “We told Kash Patel that there was a six pack of Miller hidden somewhere in the plane and let him have at it.”
Right? I was like “Faith in the FBI? Someone didn’t watch the Mens Hockey gold medal match…”
Like that’s enough lol.
…and secret whiskey stashes…
👀Don’t threaten me with a good time.
I know people are reacting like its expected anyway because of the amount of espionage that goes on, but this is honestly more of a cold war era tactic.
Why would China risk souring relations right after a major diplomatic trip with some throw away gadgets that any competent military security would find immediately and proceed to document it?
China can just get that high level information via a million other ways including Trump himself. They probably have a truthsocial scrapper that automatically tells them exactly what Trump is gonna do next by deciphering his insane posts lol.
Sounds like the US use gifts, pins and burner phones to spy on foreign governments
My brother-in-law traveled a lot for work, from the early nineties, to the 20-teens.
He visited, China, Russia, the U.S., India, all over Southeast Asia, Australia. Maybe South America, but not sure. Anyway, the point is he visited a lot of places, and the big ones fairly routinely. China is the only country, where his company had a whole list of requirements. He had to leave his personal phone, any personal electronics, and his work laptop at home. (They provided him a phone and laptop that would immediately be turned over once he returned and he could NOT log onto the company VPN with the laptop/phone they gave him and had to have his work email forwarded. )
They gave him money to buy a new suit before he went over there and to replace his luggage and clothes when he came back, because it was all discarded.
He said it was not so much government spying but industrial espionage. And he just worked in human resources.
I was in the Navy and visited Hong Kong a couple of times and they never said boo to me outside of the usual, “Loose lips sink ships.” spiel we got at every port.
They let him take his phone to Russia, but they did made him take a different work laptop, but that laptop could access the company VPN. He said there is was more about the government spying. I did not visit any Russian port while in the Navy.
My past few employers have all had similar policies, it’s common in tech. I cannot take any company equipment over the Chinese border and we are strongly discouraged against bringing any personal equipment. The company has special burner laptops and phones for the few cases where we actually need a business trip to China.
The company i used to work for decided none of that mattered and set up a whole manufacturing plant in China. Why protect your secrets when you can just share the whole thing with China?
Yup. Move all the production to China to take advantage of their slave wages/conditions, and instead of passing any savings on to the consumer, they push all profits to the share holders.
That has worked out so well for us, hasn’t it, especially now that we have such a hostile relationship with them.
Companies are the worst.
China’s gonna own us all.
Wait why would you need new clothes?
I assume they would sometimes plant bugs and it was just easier to discard than to sanitize.
Wow that sounds pretty Draconian. I would not travel without a personal phone, after all the trip is not 100% work time. I’d bring a personal burner, not my real phone, but I’d bring something. I don’t want my work to listen in on all personal comms while I’m there. I mean if they want me to leave a personal device in the hotel ok but not bringing it at all?
And throwing my luggage and clothes away? Over my dead body.
Of course with any work issued stuff they can do whatever they want. But not my personal things.
I would really refuse a trip under such conditions, or refuse the conditions themselves.
He got a personal burner as well.
He bought new luggage and clothes for the trip, knowing they would be paid for and discarded. He said it wasn’t that big a deal.
It’s not like they surprised him on the way back, telling him to throw his stuff away.
Yeah clothes for me are very personal, I only wear certain fabrics (cotton T-shirts).
But I mean I would never accept that to begin with. I would just not go on the trip.
Our company has a significant number of employees inside China anyway so it would just be theater, if they want in they will get in.
They should know after having received one of these marvels back in the Cold War.
That Thing is actually pretty cool tech, particularly for 1945.
I mean, there is a history of a lot of nations doing this.
That’s well known. We even did that with the original iPod back in the day.
had to surrender various items collected during the trip, including staff burner phones, credential badges, and lapel pins issued by China.
They think the Chinese are doing that.
Because that’s what they do…
That’s what everyone does.
Example gift from Russia, completely passive listening device: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device)
What a fascinating read, cheers !
It sounds like they’re justified in thinking that then.
I assume China (or any other government) can get top secret intel by simply bribing Trump and asking him.
what a upsetting thing to be nodding my head to. god i wish i had a president with dignity
One of the most sensible things I’ve seen from the administration.
Kinda surprised Trump was OK with it tbh…
Oh you know he didnt have to throw his special gifts away…,
Right? I was gonna say, there is no way he isn’t keeping is 44k gold plated listening device.
Did China gift him kids?
China called him out by having a bunch of little kids cheering, the kids were the only group he stopped to be creepy at.
FR?
I love/hate that we even have to ask.
If they don’t want it on the plane, you can always just post it home.
Probably had to tie him down cause he thought that they loved him so much.
I didn’t think they had anyone with half a brain still working there
Ironic . . as I use a burner phone when traveling to the USA.
