Good, let everything go wrong in America, they might eventually wake up and realise what a clusterfuck they’ve allowed themselves to become and actually do something about it.
Gee, you know and are doing what about it exactly? To the rest of us looking in, it looks like you’re paying lip service to it, a few demonstrations and some cardboard signs? Is that how you manage to overthrow fascism, weekend protests? good luck.
I have cousins in Texas, I will kindly fuck off and live happily knowing you’ve bowed down and gone into the good night with a whimper. It’s going to be fun to watch DC and Chicago turning into some random ME country. You have the army on the streets and you do fuck all. You have Nazi flags and call that free speech. Sad to say but you reap what you sow.
I genuinely appreciate the sentiment, peace is small fleeting moments. Anger is the over riding emotion, the state of the world is cause for anger.
Bless you.
They elite cackle when we do their work for them and are at each other’s throats over giant generalizations online. Make them work for it. We should all offer to help each other, not whatever this thread is.
Help whoever you can with whatever you can. Everyone is different. My strengths and weaknesses are different than yours friend. No one person is a lost cause, and history has taught us that no one country is either.
No one person is a lost cause, and history has taught us that no one country is either. >>
Agreed, but for now it’s a hard transition, and hopefully this has shown that your constitution and checks and balances need to be revised in the future to prevent another authoritarian takeover.
Accelerationism can work if you are in position to lead the rebellion. But for the vast majority of us, you’d be a foot soldier, probably die before ever seeing the day of victory.
What do you propose then, I’m asking in good faith. It’s fairly obvious to anyone with common sense that Trump, the GOP and the entire MAGA movement and their ilk need to be removed from power. How can people fight the government that is back by billionaires who control your entire lives?
Protests must be more sustained instead of the bursts of activity we’ve seen. Even direct action will fail if it’s not combined with large scale protest methods. Unfortunately, people get worn down doing constant protesting.
Trump won’t be around in another 10 years one way or another. It’s rare to find cults of personality that outlive their leader. But if we use Nazi Germany as an example of what happens next, it’s basically a return to liberalism. Half the country went to that almost immediately, and the other half just took longer. Granted, Germany has a better social safety net than America does now, but it’s hardly anti-capitalist.
TBH, I don’t have a good answer. I’m mostly doing the anarchist thing of using social groups to get people to rely less on capitalism and more on each other. That’s more of a long term thing, though.
I appreciate the honest reply, I agree with most things, I think large scale protests must include a general strike. This administration is all about the bottom line, and a sustained general strike will hit them hard.
I’m well aware of the argument of people living paycheck to paycheck seemingly unable to do that, however the alternative is very bleak.
I wish you luck and keep it up
Just to address the idea of a general strike, you pretty much have to get sustained protests going first. More specifically, they have to encourage people from different backgrounds to work together outside of capitalist structures.
I forget the exact example, but I think it was the 1934 San Fransisco general strike. Whole city shut down, including restaurants. One problem was that there were a lot of young men who worked in the factories and lived in small apartments with no kitchens at all. They went to the general strike committee and made it known that they rely on the restaurants for their daily meals. The committee understood and had some restaurants approved for opening along with delivery trucks so they could operate. Problem solved.
Point is that you need organization around that sort of thing where even marginal groups can have their problems heard. Without getting people into organized groups, it’s going to fail. If nobody listened to those young men and did something, then they would have had the choice of starving or crossing the picket line.
Those are all excellent and valid points, do you think normal thinking Americans will manage that, sustained protests followed by strike action. I completely understand the point made about the young men, the elderly and most vulnerable groups will need support. Right now all I see is some protests in some states but nothing indicates this will evolve.
Good, let everything go wrong in America, they might eventually wake up and realise what a clusterfuck they’ve allowed themselves to become and actually do something about it.
Gee, thanks from the rest of us who already know that.
Gee, you know and are doing what about it exactly? To the rest of us looking in, it looks like you’re paying lip service to it, a few demonstrations and some cardboard signs? Is that how you manage to overthrow fascism, weekend protests? good luck.
Sure is easy to spout bullshit on an internet forum. You know absolutely nothing of both what is being done here and the situation most people face.
If you have nothing productive to contribute, kindly fuck off.
I have cousins in Texas, I will kindly fuck off and live happily knowing you’ve bowed down and gone into the good night with a whimper. It’s going to be fun to watch DC and Chicago turning into some random ME country. You have the army on the streets and you do fuck all. You have Nazi flags and call that free speech. Sad to say but you reap what you sow.
May you find the peace online you never could in real life.
I genuinely appreciate the sentiment, peace is small fleeting moments. Anger is the over riding emotion, the state of the world is cause for anger. Bless you.
They elite cackle when we do their work for them and are at each other’s throats over giant generalizations online. Make them work for it. We should all offer to help each other, not whatever this thread is.
Help who? No one can help them, it’s really up the americans to sort their shit out.
Help whoever you can with whatever you can. Everyone is different. My strengths and weaknesses are different than yours friend. No one person is a lost cause, and history has taught us that no one country is either.
No one person is a lost cause, and history has taught us that no one country is either. >> Agreed, but for now it’s a hard transition, and hopefully this has shown that your constitution and checks and balances need to be revised in the future to prevent another authoritarian takeover.
What are you champ doing to stop genocide in Palestine?
Aren’t you able to stick to the topic of the thread? There are many Palestine threads, go harass people there.
Accelerationism like that never works. When it all settles, you get extremely mild improvements for a whole lot of hurt.
Accelerationism can work if you are in position to lead the rebellion. But for the vast majority of us, you’d be a foot soldier, probably die before ever seeing the day of victory.
What do you propose then, I’m asking in good faith. It’s fairly obvious to anyone with common sense that Trump, the GOP and the entire MAGA movement and their ilk need to be removed from power. How can people fight the government that is back by billionaires who control your entire lives?
Protests must be more sustained instead of the bursts of activity we’ve seen. Even direct action will fail if it’s not combined with large scale protest methods. Unfortunately, people get worn down doing constant protesting.
Trump won’t be around in another 10 years one way or another. It’s rare to find cults of personality that outlive their leader. But if we use Nazi Germany as an example of what happens next, it’s basically a return to liberalism. Half the country went to that almost immediately, and the other half just took longer. Granted, Germany has a better social safety net than America does now, but it’s hardly anti-capitalist.
TBH, I don’t have a good answer. I’m mostly doing the anarchist thing of using social groups to get people to rely less on capitalism and more on each other. That’s more of a long term thing, though.
I appreciate the honest reply, I agree with most things, I think large scale protests must include a general strike. This administration is all about the bottom line, and a sustained general strike will hit them hard. I’m well aware of the argument of people living paycheck to paycheck seemingly unable to do that, however the alternative is very bleak. I wish you luck and keep it up
Just to address the idea of a general strike, you pretty much have to get sustained protests going first. More specifically, they have to encourage people from different backgrounds to work together outside of capitalist structures.
I forget the exact example, but I think it was the 1934 San Fransisco general strike. Whole city shut down, including restaurants. One problem was that there were a lot of young men who worked in the factories and lived in small apartments with no kitchens at all. They went to the general strike committee and made it known that they rely on the restaurants for their daily meals. The committee understood and had some restaurants approved for opening along with delivery trucks so they could operate. Problem solved.
Point is that you need organization around that sort of thing where even marginal groups can have their problems heard. Without getting people into organized groups, it’s going to fail. If nobody listened to those young men and did something, then they would have had the choice of starving or crossing the picket line.
Those are all excellent and valid points, do you think normal thinking Americans will manage that, sustained protests followed by strike action. I completely understand the point made about the young men, the elderly and most vulnerable groups will need support. Right now all I see is some protests in some states but nothing indicates this will evolve.
Honestly, no. US infrastructure for this stuff is scaffolding, at best.
It’s looking very bad eh…
This is all on purpose. Nothing’s going wrong [for them]. The well being of regular people isn’t the goal.
Oh, i get that, I was talking about the people and their meek protests. The elites are laughing all the way to the bank. End stage capitalism.
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