If he made a Christian AI, it would be shut down within a week for being too woke.
I mean yeah, but you assume it will be trained on the whole bible and not just the parts that enforce his will.
There will be smiting of immigrants. Yea.
Where there was once purported atheism, there is now “a very loud, very visible and very specifically Christian-inflected technological culture” in Silicon Valley, said Damien Williams, a scholar at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte who studies how technologies are shaped by religious beliefs.
Danger. Danger.
a scholar at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte
Hahahahaha…wait, was that not a joke?
No there isn’t. 🤣
Peter Thiel has entered the chat
Stop asking “what would Jesus do?”, use Jesus API.
JAAS.
Save your soul for only 20.99 a month… wait I guess this isn’t really that new.
AI Jesus will tell you to switch to a eastern religion.
Curing cancer? Nooo
Protecting children from gun shots? Nooo
Making sure children are educated and fed? Nooo
Let’s build a fucking ball room and create a Jesus chat bot – YES
I cannot believe that this is the future we were waiting for.
That thing better be running on TempleOS and be coded with HolyC, or I’m calling BS and telling people they’ve just found a new way to make LLMs even more annoying than they already were.
Mark my words — but we’re going to see a time (in our lifetimes) where a group of people is going to worship an AI as “divine”. And you won’t be able to convince them otherwise. An AI-centric cult is all but inevitable at this point. And it will be self-reinforcing.
I don’t think it will take long either. When you look at all the grifts the American evangelists pull, and people fall for it every time, then you’ve got all these people thinking that Trump is anointed by God or some such crap. No problem at all in selling these idiots the idea that they have an instant always-on hotline to God via God’s Chosen LLM. Then you’ve got them locked in to whatever psychosis you choose to construct for them.
I’m willing to bet you could convince a subset of those people that such an LLM is in fact the second coming of Christ. So not just some tool “approved” by God, but that the LLM is the God itself.
Then (to the “true believers” minds) whatever it says will be unquestionable. And then whomever is pulling the strings behind the scenes can commit whatever atrocities they desire.
Look up temple OS!
I’m familiar with TempleOS — but it really doesn’t have any applicability here. It’s just something written by a guy with some mental illness who thought God was telling him what he wanted in an Operating System. But even for the faithful it’s just a tool — like how a temple itself may be an important holy place, but isn’t itself worshipped by the people who use it. Nobody considers a church to actually be their God.
That’s vastly different from an LLM that purports to be itself divine. We can setup an LLM that actually claims to be the second coming of Jesus, and there will be people will do whatever it tells them to because of belief. If you suck in enough people for enough years slowly enough to build up a cult following, and abuse them just enough to keep them in line, you’ll be able to tell them to do all sorts of truly atrocious things — and some subset will in fact go through with them.
And yes, people can do that already (see Jim Jones, David Koresh, or any other cult leader that convinced all their followers to kill themselves and their families) — but an LLM could have a vastly larger reach around the globe. We may not need for the LLM itself to become Skynet — one or two bad actors behind the scenes of a “divine” LLM might be enough to bring down humanity all by itself.
We did this, the answer was 42.
Just corporations trying to bring on the apocalypse so they don’t have to pay a little more in taxes.
Normal stuff
ever notice that, with LLMs, the main goal of the people who own them is to turn them from machines that spit out information they gathered in realistic-ishly human ways to machines that spit out what their owners want people to believe?
Super intelligent suckers seems like a wonderful goal.
Pay no attention to the ex-Intel CEO behind the curtain.
Is this irony or something? Use Ai to get closer to god? Its the exact opposite people need to do.
But who is surprised in this upside down world.
Help me! I broke apart my insides!
religious loonies will likely be the end of us all.
Reclaiming healthy spirituality as a personal practice instead of an institution is the only way to beat them, radical atheism will never work because most people need a connection to the world that goes beyond what’s material. Their mind, ergo their soul (psyche) is immaterial, and selling a worldview that cancels that immateriality is doomed to fail, leaving them to flock towards snake oil dealers
radical atheism will never work because most people need a connection to the world that goes beyond what’s material
What’s “radical” atheism? Atheism is not believing in god(s). How do you exceed that? Believing in infinite negative numbers of non-gods? Or do you mean I’m running around trying to convince everyone I know to be an atheist? I don’t play with model trains, but feel no need to tell everyone I meet that they shouldn’t waste their time with it. Same with religion. Now, if either group tries to coerce me into participating in their favorite pastime, I’ll resist. No sirree Bob, not my job.
And what would “moderate” atheism be? Believing in half a god? Not believing but going out of one’s way to conceal it? That might be a rational strategy to avoid persecution, but it’s not a belief system.
I’m an atheist. I feel a sense of connection to other people and living things and a sense of wonder at nature. I just don’t need an alpha male in the sky to personify it. Lack of something unnecesary is not a deficit. There’s not a huge void in my life where the Easter Bunny should be.
selling a worldview that cancels that immateriality is doomed to fail
I don’t need to assume mythical entities in order to live. If the soul turns out to be a real thing, fine, though there’s no evidence for it so far. If it’s not, that’s fine too. Meanwhile, it’s irrelevant.
So glad to read your comment @SparrowHawk. This is exactly it, and why I am no longer a hardcore atheist. We can’t connect with anyone while we’re in the middle of telling them that they’re wrong - even if they are completely wrong about factual matters. It’s essential to build connection first, then conduct any education through the connection. Without connecting it’s wasted effort.
The educating can’t come through coercion or condemnation either, because those shut people down. If we don’t offer something better then we push those people away. We might write them off and say “fuck em, who cares!” and that’s how we end up at political deadlock and perpetual war.
This is why the fascists are so terrified of empathy, because intelligent, educated people (lots of those around!) who are highly empathic (not so many, it’s a harder skill) joining together and building connections with and between the masses, already have all the tools to dismantle the whole scam we’re living in.
Empathy and education, from kindness not condemnation, is unstoppable. Though I will grant that there’s not much in it for rugged individualism, but lots in it for diverse, individuality-celebrating collectivism.
Of course we’re supposed to be arguing - we’ll never get anywhere that way.
Empathy lets you say “I absolutely disagree with your view, yet I still value you as a human, so am committed to your long-term wellbeing” and other similar bits of “radical hate speech” which, put into action will dismantle capitalism, fascism, authoritarianism, religions, prisons… you name it.
But it can’t be passive, it is something for each person to be putting into action all the time.
That’s my spiritual practise and I don’t feel personally affronted if someone disagrees with it or doesn’t understand it any more, because it’s just with myself and how I want to be in life with myself and others anyway.
There are billions of us humans and we’re unstoppable when we put aside our petty differences and work together for common dreams.
…besides, if you don’t agree with me, you’re wrong! /s
Actually this is a pretty impressive grift. I don’t think anyone has tried this before.
lol
Exactly, one man’s mission to soak up as much money from religious nutters as possible.
Just as the church has always done.
Hastening the coming? He needs to reread the bible then.
“But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.” - Matthew 24:36
If more Christians would read the bible, there’d be less Christians.
I was brought up Catholic. The Dominican brothers taught me to think critically. Now I’m not a Catholic, or any kind of Christian, anymore.
And for the fractally schismatic fundamentalist Protestants, they stopped adhering to a Christian belief system over a century ago. Very little that they believe has any connection to Christianity, and most of it contradicts core beliefs. For them, it’s just a tribal identity. “We’re the chosen people and everyone else is wrong.”
They think that they can force God’s hand. They’re that arrogant.
Anyway, the whole fundie end-times narrative is late 19th-century fanfic. It not only contradicts their scriptures, it’s also incoherent and badly written. At least Dante, when he made things up, was consistent with the core beliefs, as well as his work being far better-written and more coherent than the source literature. But the Rapture is just the rantings of tent-show shysters. Even bronze-age shepherds did better.
The week, on the other hand, is fair game.
Sounds ridiculous, but apologists will literally say this.
Remember when God said he didn’t want idols made, then he punished the Jews to wander the desert for 40 years.
This gives those vibes.
It feels plain wrong.
Remember when God said he didn’t want idols made
You are about 1700 years late to this argument. Christians reconciled with iconography some time in the Byzantium Era.
And after Protestantism? FFS, can you imagine what Joseph Smith would say about an AI Prophet, after spending half his career reading discs out of a hat with special sunglasses?
Sorry, totally unrelated but fun memory: Iconoclast was the first word whose unexpected etymology I (mostly) worked out on my own. I was watching a vh1 documentary on iconoclasts, and I’d just had a biology class where I’d learned about acetoclastic bacteria. I had a eureka moment wherein I leapt to the conclusion that “breaking the mold” was an older saying than I expected. I wasn’t totally right on that, but I was still psyched to have broken it down correctly.
I don’t have any problems with building beautiful things like cathedrals or making art in the name of God
But building oracles and such is gross. The who AI pope question was insane.
But I will have to read that article deeper, that’s an interesting wikipedia link
I don’t have any problems with building beautiful things like cathedrals or making art in the name of God
What about Catholics praying to little figurines and statues of saints? Because that’s been going on for a long time
You know how people used to put pictures of their loved ones in a locket, or in their wallets, or as a background pic on their phones? That’s what they were supposed to be. (As told by a catholic friend)
I can accept that. I have one of my kids in the car cause I used to drive like a maniac. It’s a constant reminder of the kind of person I should be while driving.
But of course, people will be people, ignoring what they’re told and doing whatever the hell they like… “This statue cried blood, let’s pray to it!” (and ignore the leaking toilet upstairs)
You’re still not supposed to pray to anyone else, according to the Bible, and Catholics pray to the saints (and Mary I believe). Just outright heretical.
But building oracles and such is gross.
You’re talking about a religion whose entire foundation is built on saints and prophets. The whole Jesus story is a big deal because it is fulfillment of prophecy.
The who AI pope question was insane.
It’s certainly heretical to the Catholic Church. But fits comfortably in a bunch of New Age and Technocratic Futurist Protestant understands of their faith.
discsrocksHe had a magic rock he put in at hat lol
Ah. Hence the age old adage: “Don’t be fooled by the rocks that I got”.
You REALLY expect conservatives to actually follow the non oppressive sections of the scriptures?
Rotfl
I think they could use a good 40 years wandering the desert right now.
Scorpions need to eat. I don’t see a downside.
I prefer the flood. Without an ark.
She-bears.
Also I don’t think Christ would return if we were all being cool to each other, so they’re admitting they’re just trying to push humanity more off track.
How does that help you in God’s judgement? I’m pretty sure disrespecting all of his creation and doing the opposite of everything Jesus stood for won’t go well.
I’m agnostic, but selfishly I would not purposefully try to hasten driving myself to hell/damnation if I believed in it.
Thankfully the values my mom taught me are the same ones Jesus taught: love your neighbour as yourself and do unto others as you would have done to you.
Thankfully the values my mom taught me are the same ones Jesus taught: love your neighbour as yourself and do unto others as you would have done to you.
This is what baffles me when my dad argues with me for being left of center.
You sent me where they taught this, did you not want me to learn it?
(Also not religious, but kept some of the philosophy)
There’s a lot of good Christian teachings that just make the world better regardless of your fear of eternal punishment or any god.
While outside my education I’m sure most religions too, but too many people get caught up in casting out others, or hating the non believers, or doling out punishments they have no right to.
Yeah it’s enough to drive one insane.
How does that help you in God’s judgement?
“The ends justify the means”, or something.
Wandering the desert?
Nay, vibe travelling.
Why are the American religious right so fixated on the rapture? It’s a death cult sprawling across the nation like a cancer.
Because it gives them the ability to let themselves off the hook for participating in the destruction of the planet.
Destruction of the planet, hardly. The earth has and will shrug of worse than humanity. Thinking otherwise is giving humanity too much credit.
Destruction of humanity is more likely. We are actively making the earth worse for us, and many other species. But there are many more which will survive and thrive after we destroy ourselves.
I think when people say “destruction of the planet” they are really meaning “our ecosphere and the multitude of species that are currently going extinct”.
Many recognize that we are in a 6th mass extinction period and understand that as the ecosystem goes, so do we. Is the spheroid body of the planet going to crumble or plate tectonics stop working because we’re gone? With all deference to George Carlin, no we know better (we’ll, there is the question about racking-induced earthquakes, but that’s a bit in the weeds).
You know what I meant
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There’s also the childish desire for an “I told you so” as they watch anyone they don’t like being sent to hell.
These people think they’re in the end times because the world is in a garbage fire state, that they probably helped cause, and now they want out instead of doing literally anything else, including just not making it worse.
Because they think that they’re going to be the ones who are rewarded, not the ones who will be punished.
Because they think they will go to heaven. If I read the Bible I’d say they wouldn’t.
