Venezuela has accused Donald Trump of making a “colonialist threat” after he said the airspace around the country should be considered closed.

The country’s foreign ministry called Trump’s comments “another extravagant, illegal and unjustified aggression against the Venezuelan people”.

The US does not legally have the authority to close another country’s airspace, but Trump’s online post could lead to travel uncertainty and deter airlines from operating there.

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    What does it mean for it to be OK? It is a thing that China did in the 1600s. I don’t think colonization is OK. China’s current management of its occupied populations is head and shoulders above what what all other occupations have done and are doing.

    Further, it’s clear that any reduction in shared national security in Tibet would result in violent American intervention. That much they have proven. So now the question is - what is to be done? As far as I can tell, the Chinese hypothesis is to maintain shares national security while collaborating with the people to promote their culture, their collective thriving, and their autonomy to best of their abilities. And it appears to be working well both on maintaining security against American terrorism and maintaining healthy communities.

    I’d say that’s sort of the best we’ve seen in history so far.

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      Rationalize Chinese colonialism however you want. Just remember that the pro colonial on the “other side” use the same stupid arguments

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        The pro colonial on the Commonwealth side use the same arguments like they we let them use their languages and don’t force them into reservations? The SCOTUS, with RBG leading the opinion, reaffirmed that US territorial claims are based on the Doctrine of Discovery, a papal bull that establishes indigenous people as subhuman as the legal basis for why it was OK to murder, rape, and disposses them.

        That doesn’t sound anything like what China is saying or doing in the least. Again, there are no Russian or Chinese intelligence agencies training indigenous terrorists and sending them into America to wreak havoc and kill innocents. The language of Tibet is thriving while in the US there are dozens of languages that have fewer than 10 speakers left.

        It’s really a night/day comparison. I can’t imagine anyone actually believing that the pro-colonial position in the Commonwealth is anything akin to what China is doing.

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          I guess the Uyghurs as a common example are what? Super happy joyous time? The way the ccp cracked down on the peaceful protests I Hongkong? Not authoritarian? They are both sides of the same coin. Authoritarian Chinese government and authoritarian American government. But you can tell yourself that the side you support is the “good guys” all you like.

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            The authoritarian lens is a useless one since every single nation in the history of humanity uses authority.

            The Hong Kong protests were a great example of the difference. In the US you have protests because a cop killed a man in cold blood and the cops come out and tear gas protestors and some died. They even let a vigilante kill people and then let him off without punishment.

            In Hong Kong, which was a colony of Britain, the youth of Hong Kong decided to protest and it got really violent - on the part of the protestors. They were throwing molotovs at police. And the police just backed off most of the time. The protests went on for weeks and the police exercises significant restraint compared to US cops.

            The important thing to note about Hong Kong is that it was violently ripped away from China and turned into a British colony because the Brits wanted to sell opium to China and China said no. For most of the British occupation the Chinese in Hong Kong suffered immensely, but when the Brits realized they weren’t going to be able to hold on to Hong Kong they changed all their policies to create social conditions that would lead inevitably to this exact conflict. That’s partly why there was such a generational gap in the Hong Kong protest movement. Many of the older generation knew what Britain was about and wanted to rejoin their country but the youth were fed a lot of lies and propaganda so when China moved forward with the national security aimed at preventing foreign interference the students protested.

            As for Xinjiang, I encourage you to look at a map. The US military establishment has openly stated that they are collaborating with East Turkistan separatists as part of their strategy in the region and have been for some time. This is an extension of the US strategy that developed the Mujahideen into a terrorist group to fight the USSR and ultimate spawned Al-Qaeda and ISIS. In short, the US has been training, arming, and organizing terrorism in the region as part of their strategy to destabilize any opposition, and for China specifically they targeted Xinjiang.

            If you look at the number of terrorist attacks in Xinjiang over the years, there was clearly a problem, but it’s equally clear that China launched an anti-terrorism campaign and the number of attacks has plummeted. This again shows the difference between the Western use of authority and the Chinese us of authority. When the West does anti-terrorism they carpet bomb countries, commit mass war crimes, destroy infrastructure, and kill millions. China’s anti-terrorism campaign focused on economics, education, social integration, and counterintelligence. Not only did it work, 50+ countries have inspected Xinjiang and approved of the program. The Uyghurs still govern the region as an autonomous cultural zone. They still openly practice their religion and cultural practices, they still teach their children in their language. Birth rates have come down to stabilize at the same rate as Western societies, or higher, which is inline with social progress women getting more autonomy, better health outcomes across the board, and better economic prospects.

            So yeah, I won’t disagree that both the US and China are authoritarian, but I don’t really see any country in the world that isn’t authoritarian. It’s the way things are right now. So given that there will be authoritarianism, who is actually working to improve lives and who is working to destroy them?