• perestroika@slrpnk.net
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    13 hours ago

    The Ukrainian government was bombing eastern Ukraine before the war up to 2022 leading to 3500 civilians killed, and this is Putin’s justification for invasion.

    You are misinformed.

    Do you actually know that war in Eastern Ukraine started in 2014? Have you read the timeline?

    Yes, when a land war occurs, both sides will be shelling each other.

    The casualty numbers due to Ukrainian fire (you forgot to provide casualty numbers through Russian fire - why did you forget? were they too big?) are unlikely, though, since it was a low-intensity conflict. But it was intense enough to drive 1.6 million people from their homes over time.

    At some point, a ceasefire was reached, with sides agreeing to remove heavy guns and missile launchers to a distance from the line of contact. Then the ceasefire failed. At all points, Russia was supporting an army of approximately 30 000 to 40 000 soliders in Eastern Ukraine, and equipping them with everything from small arms to heavy artillery.

    You mention “Putin’s justification for invasion”. He was already invading Ukraine in 2022. He had taken Crimea in 2014 and had been trying to take Donbas ever since, with low intensity warfare.

    His true grievance was that Ukrainians had a revolution in 2014, and drove out president Viktor Yanukovich, whom Putin had friendly ties with. He responded with military force.

    Please, study history. Do not let propagandists twist you around a finger. History is complicated but if you want to be adequate at politics, you must understand the topics you speak about.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas

    • Riverside@reddthat.com
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      14 hours ago

      But it was intense enough to drive 2 million people from their homes

      Huh, that reminds me of something. “In 2021, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Iran published statistics showing that 4,037,258 Iranians were living abroad”. I wonder if the economic sanctions destroying the Iranian life have anything to do with that?

      At all points, Russia was supporting an army of approximately 30 000 to 40 000 soliders in Eastern Ukraine

      And how many soldiers and dissidents is the US paying? Does Iran live in isolation without US meddling and intervention? How many anti-Iranian militias are funded in the vicinity by the US? How about the literal training of Al-Qaeda leaders?

      You mention “Putin’s justification for invasion”. He was already invading Ukraine in 2022

      And the US toppled the democratically elected Mosaddeq government in Iran and reinstated the Shah as far back as 1953. Funny, we only analyze history for Ukraine? Does this fall apart for Iran?