• mrbutterscotch@feddit.org
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    1 day ago

    Mate, you mentioned “the 40k dead bullshit”, not me. I simply pointed out that calling the murder of a large amount of civilians “bullshit”, is a fucked up thing to do.

    And are you seriously arguing that no one should mention anything about countries that they don’t live in?

    I’m not american, does that mean I am not allowed to talk about how the US are imperialist fascists?

    What an absolutely lacking take.

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      1 day ago

      I’m not american, does that mean I am not allowed to talk about how the US are imperialist fascists?

      Can you not realize why this comparison is stupid? Like, what do you think Imperialism means? Do you think comparing Iran (a victim of Imperialism) to the literal Imperialist superpower is reasonable? Literally every citizen of the world is touched by and impacted by US Imperialism. The same cannot be said for Iran. It rulers decisions literally didn’t impact you or I until the US invaded.

      This is like the people that don’t understand patriarchy saying “swap the genders” to argue. It’s ignoring the fundamental structures.

      If you don’t learn from this conversation. In a few months you’ll be back here talking about how “Cuba is starving it’s citizens” as the US prepares to invade there too. Good luck mate.

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        1 day ago

        There is nothing to learn from this conversation lol, you’re spewing typical tankie bs. You think no one can criticise anything about nations that oppose the US.

        Saying the death of thousands of civilians is bullshit, for whatever reasons, is just plain wrong, no matter who did the killing.

        I would have ciriticised you for that regardless if the US invaded or not, it has nothing to do with that.

        But hey, it’s your choice to die on that hill.

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          How is what you’re doing with “40k/20k protesters were killed” any different than the people that kept saying “Hamas throws gay people off of buildings” all throughout the Palestinian genocide.

          I really want to know. You have the advantage of hindsight on the later one? Is that the only difference? Are you incapable of understanding something as “bull shit” until after the fact?

          Or can you use your brain just a little bit to understand why I would call it “bull shit”?

          After the crimes of Israel and the US reach the point of genocide did you keep saying: “Hamas actually does oppress gay people”. Or did you correctly understand that even the mention of this was “bull shit”.

          “Iran really did kill some protesters”

          Will you be repeating this as thousands more die and hundreds of thousands are displaced at the hand of the US/Israel? Or can you rightfully now call it out for what it is: “bull shit” that never had anything to do with the invasion.

          Hamas is oppressive and violent to gay people. Iran uses state violence to suppress uprisings and in the process does not care if they kill innocent people.

          These are true. But when they are repeated by the invading imperial force to justify their crimes THEY ARE BULL SHIT.

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            1 day ago

            Hamas is oppressive and violent to gay people. Iran uses state violence to suppress uprisings and in the process does not care if they kill innocent people.

            These are true. But when they are repeated by the invading imperial force to justify their crimes THEY ARE BULL SHIT. It doesn’t justify the war crimes that the US perpetrates.

            You know what, we came to a point at which we both kind of agree. How about we leave it at that. Have a good one.

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              13 hours ago

              Let me know when you start repeating “Cuba is starving it’s citizens” as the US starts that invasion next. Or whatever bull shit reason they use to for it that people like you will just repeat over and over.

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                7 hours ago

                Sure and you let me know at what point it is okey to mention the child raping mullahs that murdered thousands of their own people that you are so valiantly defending here. And when it stops being okey to call the deaths of thousands of civilians bullshit.

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                  6 hours ago

                  It’s not about about mentioning it mate. It’s about WHO you are mentioning it for. You’re not mentioning it because you can help children. It’s literally only something you know about because the people that want to bomb those same children told you about it so they can do the bombings. Not sure how many times I have to say that.

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                    5 hours ago

                    Friend, again, it was you that mentioned the deaths of protesters and called it bullshit. Not me. Not sure how many times I have to say that. None of your comments serve any purpose either, so why are you writing them? And we know about the civilian deaths because of Iranians reporting them before the internet was turned off and not because it’s some baseless claim from the US. You are making a lot of effort to excuse your belittling of civilian deaths.