Does it act as a dumb monitor? Can all smart TV features be permanently disabled?
You can prolly just not connect it to Wi-Fi but I seriously doubt any TVs these days don’t have this bullshit.
I’ve heard that the “smart” feature services actually help subsidize the overall cost of the TV, but if that’s true, I doubt any of those savings are being passed to the consumer.
There are relatively few, but there are a couple. The Sceptre U515CV-UMC is probably the most well known one. It’s easy to find a dumb TV in the sub 24" category, too, but that’s probably not what most people are looking for and at that rate most nerds would probably just use a computer monitor instead anyway.
No DisplayPort on that Sceptre, obviously.
Scepter makes non-smart TVs . They aren’t very high res.
Ah so close!
If it lacked any smart tv features and had displayport it would be my next tv.
Ignore me if I’m being stupid, but could you just not give it internet? A lot of TVs have high spec CPU/APU these days and complicated firmware, surely ability to update the firmware for these is necessary for patches/feature improvements. They probably think it’s silly not to include software if they can, but I agree the software experience is often a bit of a let down. LGs been good, but admittedly I block all telemetry on my network so wouldn’t notice any downsides.
same, make TVs dumb again!
I love that the author refers to Hisense as “it” rather than they. Corporations aren’t people!
That particular use of grammar is normal in US English.
I live in Maryland and I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone refer to a company as “it”.
But the supreme court said they were!
Sounds great! I’ll gladly pay $200usd for it.
I skimmed the article and didn’t see any mention of price, but I expect it to be 10x what I’m willing to spend on a display.
Also if it’s a smart tv I’m no longer interested at all.
Looks like it’s $3500! 😬 Seems crazy to pay that much for a TV
Allmost all tvs are smart tvs these days, just never connect it to wifi and use external devices like an HTPC.
This. I don’t get why most commenters whinge about smart TV capabilities, when you don’t have to actually use that feature.
Smart TVs are so. slow. Booting. Changing channels. Opening a menu.
Because some of the TVs themselves whinge at you constantly if you don’t connect them to a network now.
Because it run on a computer that won’t last as long as a normal tv. If the computer degrade, your experience suffer.
Tbf if its booting from ROM and doing the same job its not going to degrade.
Graphics cards from 20 years ago will still play 20 year old games just fine, its not like that computers job is gonna change anytime soon.
I expect it won’t be long before they start including cellular modems.
I’ll be sticking with my Sceptre then
Normally I’d say just leave it off your network, but I’ve read some awful stuff Hisense does to coerce users into connecting their TVs to their network.
Hisense UR9 RGB, but note that the port is on the left bezel of the panel. Hopefully saved you a click.
Now gimme one without smart tv bullshit
I bought a 48" OLED “monitor” that has none.
The smart TV part is conceptually okay, but the bullshit is unspeakable. I actually like that TVs have apps for the streaming services and stuff, if they didn’t have to be evil about how they implement it. But they’re evil, so here we all are, wanting completely dumb TVs.
Every invention this century…
I don’t really agree that is conceptually okay. TVs and computers have drastically different life cycles. That TV will still be kicking probably a decade after the internal Smart TV computer is uselessly underpowered. This same problem is arguably even worse with cars.
I don’t agree. I don’t need my TV to keep up with the latest software like I do my computer. I’d like it to load apps for the streaming services and search YouTube videos. If it can do that today, it can do that five years from now.
You could accomplish that with a streamer though. The new ones even have IR and can act as universal remotes. This negates the detriment to not having it built into the tv.
Then when it’s out of date you replace a 100$ streamer and not a 1000$ tv.
I still have to have a separate device with cables going to it.
But if a codec change or such happens (like to AV1 or h.265), it might not, we have an older 4k smart tv (Sharp Aquos LC-60UE30U) that can’t handle 4k streaming without dropping to single digit fps.
Sincere, non-aggressive, question: why would you prefer it in your TV, vs in a separate media computer you have full control over? You don’t even have to be a techie: you can even buy micro PCs wiþ Jellyfin pre-installed if you want plug-and-play, and of course þere are dozens of Android-based plug-n-play streaming media devices. Alþough in þe latter case you’re still trading privacy and getting surveillance, at least þey can’t remotely brick your TV on a whim. Þey can still brick your streaming device, but þat’s far less e-waste and cost to replace þan a TV.
Why do you like having it in þe TV? Purely convenience? Better all-around integrated experience? Simplicity?
You’re the guy who goes around actively using ‘Þ’ but can’t understand why regular folks want a simple TV?
A TV with an OS and apps is not “simple”. Simple is a screen that displays what I plug into it.
Doesn’t piefed automatically change “th” into whatever the fuck that is? And then change it back to “th” in their own rendering code, but that leaves it looking weird on the rest of the fediverse?
Piefed seems kinda sus
why do you think that? then all piefed users would be commenting with thorns
Once I learned its primarily to poison AI I was for it.
Except that it doesn’t work at all
No. That user chooses to use that instead of “th”.
Fewer devices, my TV is mounted to the wall, so fewer cords. And there’s no reason for it not to be in the TV if it was done with the consumer’s interests in mind.
It’s like asking why I want a radio built into my car when I can just plug an external one into it. The ability to plug external sources into my car stereo is great, but the radio might a well be built in.
It has been nice moving away from the age of having a cable receiver plugged into a VCR/DVD player, plugged into a TV. Adding any new hardware feels like a regression in that regard.
Integration is likely the main thing
They exist, but they’re called commercial monitors
Are there gaming screens like that though? Cause I thought commercial monitors were all slow response.
I’ve got a 43" Aorus 4k gaming screen for my desktop. 144Hz, freesync, 2 HDMI’s a DisplayPort and a USBC. There is a 48" OLED as well, but I didn’t have the space for it at the time.
After using a 4k 43" for a monitor for a few years, I definitely both recommend it AND wish companies would make 8k ones.
Does anything useful even come in 8K at this point? I saw it as a spec last time I went television shopping, but it seemed like something that wouldn’t be useful for another decade.
8K was always a lie. It’s impossible to tell the difference from 4K unless you’re too close, 4K already has more pixels than your eyes do.
Technically, all TVs have more pixels than your eyes do
8k is effectively dead
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Honestly, nah. The screen is awesome, don’t get me wrong, but the fact that I had to replace the main board after 1.5yrs, just out of warranty, means I definitely recommend people don’t buy it. Luckily I found someone on eBay that dropped theirs, shattered the screen, and sold the internal boards for $50 shipped.
I only brought it up because it fits the requirements and I recommend the format. 4k 43"+ or 8k is goated on desktop.
He should have said commerical displays, which are basically TV’s rated for long continuous use e.g. digital signage.
I haven’t dealt with them in some time, but I would imagine many, if not most, do not include consumer smart tv features, although they probably have other embedded smart tech to help with stuff like signage.
No I understand he’s talking about displays, I think I must have backspaced that and undid it at some point. But those commercial displays are not built with fast response rates because they’re literally just built to display one image at a time. Using them for gaming would suck.
[TVs] rated for long continuous use
Or, what we used to just label “TVs”. The ones not rated for long continuous use should get a new name; perhaps “weak TVs”.
The TVs you buy at Costco or Walmart aren’t meant to be run 24/7 365. They never have been.
Great now gimme one that’s reasonably priced
Check b stock.
Typically its scratch & dent, sometimes demo or trade show use.
Still gets a warranty (which is better on commercial in most cases), and usually a pretty sizable discount. If you can find a local distributor, they will sometimes sell off prior year stock for a really good price.
But do commercial monitors make good tvs?
Yes & they last longer
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Just don’t connect it to the internet. Smart TV is now dumb TV. It really is that simple.
Now it is a dumb tv with a 30 second boot up time and a clunky menu for changing inputs.
Not on my experience. I simply set my LG OLED to HDMI 1 and leave it there. I don’t own a Blu Ray player nor any game consoles, so one input for my PC is all I need. TV boots up like a monitor and immediately displays the desktop. I never see the smart crap ever.
If you have to for your particular model, you can always get a service remote and put the TV into Hotel Mode, then from that menu, disable the smart features completely, and program the TV to default to your input of choice every time you boot it up. Every TV in existence has Hotel Mode, and thus is capable of doing this.
You’re still paying for the components, so an out-of-box dumb TV would be cheaper (we saw this when smart TV’s first launched, they were ~$30-40 more then the dumb versions). You still are at the mercy of whatever board/OS gets installed. And Microsoft is constantly trying to force users to make an online account to use the PC, it’s only a matter of time before TV makers require WIFI to do initial setup. Plus there’s ways to still get online, like if they partner with Xfinity who use customer routers (the ones that get rented) for others to use… stuff like that would eb all to easy to do. Or heck, partner with Amazon. They deliver everywhere, so the trucks are driving around, there’s ways they could auto join you to a network.
The “just don’t” doesn’t send a message other than “we need to try harder because we need to steal that data”. Stop buying TVs is the only message that might work.
Yes.
Hate turning mine on and having to reset the input every single time because they’re trying to annoy me into connecting it to wireless.
I got one a few years ago that had a setting to automatically go to a specified input when the TV started (similar to how normal TVs used to work).
My only mistake was leaving the TV connected to the network, as it updated and caused some hassle recently.
Just don’t connect it to the internet my dude.
Just don’t buy the smart ass products my dude.
As OP mentioned, it’s not really an option. unless you want to pay double or triple. I’d buy non-smart if it was a reasonable price and had the feature set I want.
I don’t have a smart TV, hell there are still lots of them dumb ones around. If the day comes where I can not get a non smart TV, I will not have a TV.
Tldr; This article reads like my own particular preferred brand of copium.
Nvidia Tried this with BFG (Big Format gaming Displays) but most of them never made it to market. I think Microcenter carried one model and it was expensive for what you were getting. Back in those days having the nvidia gsync sticker easily double the price of any monitor and making it a ~60" tv wasn’t an exception.
I can’t be the only person who wants display port but I fear this must have to do with the HDMI Forum being the current cable standard mafia and supporting anything other than HDMI is like giving up an inch of the total control they have over the TV industry. They (Sony, Phillips, Toshiba, Hitachi, etc) are effectively colluding against TV buyers and controlling the market and eliminating competition.
With that being said, the USB-C port on these TVs has been around and Ive seen other reviewers show that the high sense implementation is not the panacea (yet) that gamers desire. Its more for like, plugging in your Macbook to your TV.
Still, if this TV came out tomorrow and Wendell from Level1techs said “your Linux pc can get 4k, 120hz, HDR FreeSync out of this” and showed it working, $3500 dollars wouldn’t stop me from buying it.
Still, if this TV came out tomorrow and Wendell from Level1techs said “your Linux pc can get 4k, 120hz, HDR FreeSync out of this” and showed it working, $3500 dollars wouldn’t stop me from buying it.
I wish I was this rich to impulse buy something that expensive because a man on the internet said something positive abouti t.
A lot of us skip several upgrade opportunities and just keep saving for something decent that works well with our OS.
Heck, I went over ten years on my last CPU and mobo because I was waiting for the predicted amdgpu nirvana that we have now.
My TV is no different. I’ve had the same, dumb, 1080p IPS since 2012. Just waiting for a tv that’s worth it.
So yeah, if the ideal tv launches at 3k, I’ll buy it without a doubt.
I have that money saved from when I didn’t leap to 3d, when I didn’t leap to OLED and when I didn’t leap to 4k.Well, you see, when you know and understand Linux well, your chances to become rich are increasingly higher.
- Most people are poor
- Most people use Windows
Coincidence?
It’s not going to be cheap, though — in the US, the 65-inch model is officially priced at $3,499.
That’s a fuckin steal for the tech, if it wasn’t a smart tv.
Maybe I’m showing my age but I remember 3k+ for a 60+” DLP TV with shit viewing angles and a bulb that needed replacing eventually.
I’d happily pay that for a pc-gaming quality dumb panel the size of a traditional tv.
But ima need 3 or 4 display port inputs.
I also probably want full sized display port inputs over usb-c form
Lol, such bs. When HDTVs were made ‘smart’, and then 3D, the only ones sold were 40"+ and £3,000+. Took about three years for that price to drop 90%. But this is garbage news, who still wants a television in this century? Pubs, community spaces and that’s about it. Monitors are significantly cheaper, with less bloat and software lock.
who still wants a television in this century?
This is so out-of-touch it’s unreal.
—Someone who doesn’t still want a television in this century
That’s some protagonist syndrome.
Well, I might not want a TV… all I really want is a 60"+ high quality, high refresh rate, 4k+ panel to game, work and watch media on…
On wait; thats literally an HDTV minus the tuner.
The only thing that makes it a TV IS the tuner… and honestly it’s not bad to have in an emergency or for local OTA stuff anyway. If I never use it then having it doesn’t matter.
People who watch movies or tv series a lot and who care about image quality? Couch gamers? I couldn’t get a decent 65“ monitor. But my TV has a very good image, supports 2160p with 144Hz, VRR, HDR, etc.
And at no point did my TV force me to go online. I can 100% just ignore the software. What more could I want?
HOPEFULLY this is the beginning of the end for HDMI.
$3.5K TV says it isn’t
You gotta start somewhere. If this sells, there might be another.
Exactly, even just how loud the internets are gonna be about the DP can make them, or other manufacturers, implement DP into cheaper/all models … the tech itself doesn’t cost much & the signal isn’t that different to process compared to HDMI).
And ofc to the back of the TV.
What’s wrong with HDMI?
Proprietary standard that’s worse than modern DisplayPort specs. Adds cost without adding features.
Enemy of your freedom. Doesn’t even let AMD support 2.1 on Linux so Steam Deck or Steam Machine cannot support 2.1 with open source drivers! That’s why it’s officially only HDMI 2.0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#Comparison_with_HDMI
Mostly licensing. Every single hdmi port manufsctured requires a fee, and the closedness just holds tech back.
It is a proprietary closed protocol with built in DRM. The HDMI Forum is not consumer friendly, charges royalties to manufacturers for the productiom of HDMI capable devices, and HDMI has no performance advantage over Display Port.
- It has it’s DRM implementation, that, albeit weak and useless, was designed to manage what you can or cannot plug these cords into, e.g. capture cards. That’s probably an advantage for Sony and others.
- HDMI specs are <10m or bust, so for big rooms or video prod on HDMI you need amplifiers. They may be included in the cord itself, but that makes it one-directional, lol.
- Not to say that HDMI cords are expensive and you also can’t press their ends to the lenght needed yourself, unlike what you can do with SDI cords.
- No mechanisms preventing them against just popping out from the socket. Anecdotally, I think there’s something weird with their construction maybe, that in my experience made metal connectors suddenly come off completely around 5 times this year, while no other connectors suffered that faith, even dumb VGA that are prone to have their pins wrecked.
- HDMI is rigidly limited to what it can with what standard and has no interesting things going for it imho, at least no daisy chaining multiple displays one after another that DP can.
The connector is flimsy, will wear out in applications where you connect and disconnect it often and the whole standard is controlled by big tech and they abuse that power to hinder open source efforts.
LOL
Oh good, now you can watch ads on your giant tv when your console or PC game ends because the TV will know.
Next: subscription access to play games on said Big TV.
Oh good, now you can watch ads on your giant tv when your console or PC game ends because the TV will know.
You connect TVs to WiFi?
Nobody:
Nosense: Let’s put it on the side so you have to look at the cable all the time
Damn. Too expensive for me. My TV has a dark spot after 8 years. I’m going to be on the market for a new one in the next year or two and displayport would be sweet. Hopefully this starts a trend. This is Hisence and am excited to see reviews for the latest TCL models to drop
Actual mini LED (3.5 to 5k nits!!) and display port?
(And a price to match it, but it’s “only” at the upper end of normal consumer TVs.)Ok, where it the enshitification catch?
It’s Hisense and they will likely be forcing ads on you at every opportunity.
Hardware and software laden with ads have, unfortunately, become part and parcel of modern life, but there are occasions when the hunt for revenue goes too far. One of those cases comes from Hisense, known across Western markets as a budget electronics brand. The firm’s TV sets have repeatedly come under fire for forcing non-skippable ads when switching inputs, turning the TV on, navigating to the home screen, and even when switching channels — all changes that took effect unilaterally after purchase, reportedly even for users who had all ad-related options disabled.
Needs jailbreak/crack/foss firmware flash hack.
Now all peripherals just need to adopt compatibility for this single TV model and it’ll catch on.
Does it require an account to operate. Didn’t read it. Not going to.
Didn’t read it. Not going to.
You’re asking if someone else will do it for you, or…?
Yes that’s exactly what I’m asking. We’ll done.
Also I’m my defense, no one is forcing anyone to actually do it.
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They’re honest at least. I respect that. Likely doesn’t care enough but if someone presents the info that would be filed under ‘neat’.
