Vape marketing pretty much undid all the progress made to get people to stop smoking.
Honestly I see it as this kinda fucked up thing that’s pure capitalism greed.
Get people dependent on a super addictive chemical that has withdrawal symptoms as low as 1 hour intervals.
People spend a ton of money just to not feel the withdrawal symptoms.
It’s bad for health. It offers nothing.
Its barely a stimulant.
Just have some caffeine. It’s less expensive and not bad for your health. (In small quantities).
I’ve got two teen nieces vaping.
They think it’s cool. All their friends do it.
I really thought the next generations were going to be lucky they weren’t chained to a subscription that’s scraping years off their life and pocket. But I guess not.
Fuck big tobacco.
It’s bad for health.
True.
It offers nothing.
False. It’s actually most addictive to those who it offers the most. Hence, ADHD risk of smoking is much higher. It’s not just impulsivity, but also the short term mental benefits that help reinforce smoking.
Even if nicotine has medicinal value, recreational doses (high) mixed with many other chemicals with the aim of causing addiction is way more detrimental than helpful.
There is health research showing indication of cancer increases. Though vaping is relatively new and it may take another 20 years to learn the full scope of the harm.
At present there are much safer alternatives for all of the issues you listed.
It’s also important to note that treating withdrawal symptoms like anxiety and ADHD-like symptoms is not treating those conditions.
It causes them through withdrawal effects and then relieves them. It’s part of the mechanism of addiction.
After a while people believe the drug fixes a bunch of their problems when the drug caused the problems or exasperated them to the level they currently are at.
This same phenomenon is noted with marijuana use.
Long term use increases anxiety. Though many daily users report that it helps anxiety. The truth is it makes anxiety worse over time , which in turn increases the person’s dependence on using the drug to handle their increasingly dysfunctional levels of anxiety that they did not have before they started using.
You may not be surprised to learn that even prescription drugs like Xanax has the exact same effect and course of action on people.
Long term use increases anxiety and subsequently makes individuals even more dependent on the drug.
There are no shortcuts or easy fixes when it comes to drugs. They all build tolerance. Which creates withdrawal. Which is literally an opposition in the body to combat the drug and return it to the previous state. All drugs inevitably make whatever problem they treat, worse.
But we still use them because their benefit out weighs the cost in most situations. Especially for people struggling with daily functioning.
People with medical conditions.
But as a general rule, it should not be used to treat mild problems as it will make them worse.
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“You’re on it all the time. With cigarettes, you might have said ‘I’ve only got five minutes, that’s not enough,’ and then you didn’t spark up after all. I don’t even have to go outside to vape,” Antonia says. When would she stop using e-cigarettes? “Right now, I feel like it’s doing me more good than harm. But if I got pregnant, I’d stop immediately.”
I hope this person gets help
But if I got pregnant, I’d stop immediately.
Lol, no you won’t.
Yeah it’s usually a while until the first test
I don’t even have to go outside to vape
Because you’re an asshole, maybe.
Vapes smell, but not like smoke. Sometimes you can’t even tell when you go to someone’s room.
I’ve had it first and second-hand, it smells like a cheap candle.
This is bad journalism. The text refers to research at Oxford as “likely” to case harm. Purely anecdotal without any reference to the source to which it refers other than “researchers”. If they provided a reference to a peer reviewed source, I surely would have chased it up for my own education. Alas the text includes nothing but inflammatory wording like “alarming”. Did good journalism disappear or are we just lowering our standards?
Yeah that’s what I’m saying. Southern Europe (and I would count France under this too especially culturally) and Eastern Europe smoke a lot more. In Holland and Germany and the Nordics it’s a lot rarer.
I think the difference is cultural. Those countries tend to be more laid-back while the further north you go the more serious people are about life and rules. Just as an example, if your whole street has green front doors in Holland and you paint yours blue, you can bet you will get a visit from some local council pencil pusher ordering you to change it right back. In Spain you just do whatever the fuck you please with your own house. The only thing you get complaints about are actual dangers (eg plaster falling from the facade and possibly injuring people).
And I’m not saying that to bash them. In fact I moved from a northern to a southern European country in part because I like the looser outlook 🫶
When I went to Europe there were cigarettes butts everywhere, and people smoked like crazy, felt like US in the 70s
Depends totally on which country. And what demographic you visit.
South and East Europe smoke a lot more than North and West. People outside bars smoke because if they didn’t smoke they’d be inside.
Was Netherlands and germany
Europe the country! - USAsians
Maybe things have changed as it’s been a hot minute, but smoking in France and Portugal was common and casual in public when I was there, the UK was/is draconian about it i will admit
Germany fucking plague here in the states. My son friend I caught vaping. He grown but only 19. Pissed me off. I thought the kids of today had gotten away from that. But no my son said everyone was vaping these days. (But not him) they traded cigarettes for vaping and dumb shits think its better.
It is better though?
Fuck no it fucking just has bad or worse. At least with cigarettes people know to take that shit outdoors. Today people vape with windows rolled up and inside. Had my ex try argue that it just vapor water. Fucking hell if it.
I’ve seen a guy vaping in a restaurant right next to a no-smoking sign. The sign didn’t say “no smoking cigarettes” but he was so full of himself like he had just found a loophole. Those people are crazy.
I feel like you have a problem with inconsiderate people not the actual vape…
You get this irrational angry when people use phones? Use camera flash? Chew gum?
Get fucked asshole vape are just as bad has smoking cigarettes and I should know was a smoker for 20 years before I quit.
Impressive that you think having smoked imbues you with the knowledge of the long term risk profile of something different.
I suppose parents who vape raise kids who vape? Addiction sucks.
It’s way too easy to get nicotine from anyone with the means to buy it for you, so I wouldn’t necessarily blame the parents. Just all around shitty behaviour and good ol’ laissez faire capitalism.
