Most people don’t know how unbelievably fucked the world would be if Russia did this on a consistent basis. The entire stock market runs on GPS for nanosecond timing of trades. Shipping, trucking, trains, planes all use GPS. Sure, all of them CAN operate without GPS, but the delays would be enormous because of how efficient GPS is and how automated a lot of things are. Communications systems use GPS for timing to sync up. Farms use GPS for accurate planting and picking of vegetables.
Lol as if critical systems don’t simply trust gps if you are in a field where you actually need to have that accurate time you have fail over and multiple sources over multiple media. Spoofing gps will fuck with the “little” players that can’t really afford to play.
The entire stock market runs on GPS for nanosecond timing of trades.
Funny you should mention this. At work we built a time delivery system on our fiber optic network (based on WhiteRabbit from CERN) with the national lab who generates our countries UTC contribution, and a stock market operator became one of our early customers.
Getting your timing source through fiber is definitely the best way to go, as long as you have a backup timing source OTA like GPS and other GNSS in case the fiber gets cut.
Modern receivers SHOULD be using whatever GNSS is in view, including Galileo, QZSS, GPS, Beidou, and GLONASS. They SHOULD be internet connected to get authentication and trust certificates.
However, there are 10 billion pieces of GNSS receivers out there, so not all of them are modernized.
I mean, they have their own system: GLONASS. Their closest ally in China also has their system: Beidou. Many of their trading partners use Beidou or a mix of Galileo (EU’s system) and GPS and any other system in view. They are jamming GPS over a wide swath of territory already, so they know how to handle it within their borders. The world economy would crash, but it would be less of a crash in countries allied with China. Also, Russia’s economy is so fucked right now that a worldwide crash would just be a blip.
The thing is, China has their own GNSS called Beidou (pronounced like Play-Dough if I’ve been informed correctly). China has spent the last 10 years convincing non-aligned countries (Brazil and most of South America, many African nations, etc) to switch to using it instead of GPS. An attack by Russia would be “condemned” by China but would actually be a boon to them and their allies. Europe has their own GNSS, too, but it is much less widely used.
Oh I hadn’t realized that Beidou-3 has global coverage. I thought that was still a regional system. Thanks for mentioning countries outside of their earlier area of coverage
Most people don’t know how unbelievably fucked the world would be if Russia did this on a consistent basis. The entire stock market runs on GPS for nanosecond timing of trades. Shipping, trucking, trains, planes all use GPS. Sure, all of them CAN operate without GPS, but the delays would be enormous because of how efficient GPS is and how automated a lot of things are. Communications systems use GPS for timing to sync up. Farms use GPS for accurate planting and picking of vegetables.
Lol as if critical systems don’t simply trust gps if you are in a field where you actually need to have that accurate time you have fail over and multiple sources over multiple media. Spoofing gps will fuck with the “little” players that can’t really afford to play.
Funny you should mention this. At work we built a time delivery system on our fiber optic network (based on WhiteRabbit from CERN) with the national lab who generates our countries UTC contribution, and a stock market operator became one of our early customers.
Getting your timing source through fiber is definitely the best way to go, as long as you have a backup timing source OTA like GPS and other GNSS in case the fiber gets cut.
This is true but it’s not only GPS - it’s the whole array of GNSS and associated tech.
Modern receivers SHOULD be using whatever GNSS is in view, including Galileo, QZSS, GPS, Beidou, and GLONASS. They SHOULD be internet connected to get authentication and trust certificates.
However, there are 10 billion pieces of GNSS receivers out there, so not all of them are modernized.
Also, many power grids are reliant on GPS to synchronize power plants to keep the power in-phase.
they’d also fuck themselves
I mean, they have their own system: GLONASS. Their closest ally in China also has their system: Beidou. Many of their trading partners use Beidou or a mix of Galileo (EU’s system) and GPS and any other system in view. They are jamming GPS over a wide swath of territory already, so they know how to handle it within their borders. The world economy would crash, but it would be less of a crash in countries allied with China. Also, Russia’s economy is so fucked right now that a worldwide crash would just be a blip.
If Russia did this to the world they’d be declaring war on everyone. China wouldn’t stand for it and they would likely act.
Yeah, like, what nation wouldn’t see this as an act of war if deployed on a targeted and continous scale?
The thing is, China has their own GNSS called Beidou (pronounced like Play-Dough if I’ve been informed correctly). China has spent the last 10 years convincing non-aligned countries (Brazil and most of South America, many African nations, etc) to switch to using it instead of GPS. An attack by Russia would be “condemned” by China but would actually be a boon to them and their allies. Europe has their own GNSS, too, but it is much less widely used.
Oh I hadn’t realized that Beidou-3 has global coverage. I thought that was still a regional system. Thanks for mentioning countries outside of their earlier area of coverage
It’d be like Y2K, but for real.
I say, do it?