New Outlook takes 10 seconds to show an email after clicking a Windows 11 notification. Outlook Classic does it instantly.
It should be criminal to even charge money for MS software considering how much garbage it is
But we need a container to run a Docker with several VMs inside so we can run byte code that runs on a web browser that gets compiled back to C++ under a terabyte of abstraction layers that need about 10000 dependencies that require a TPM, 64GB of DDR5-7200 RAM, about 24 cores at the minimum, two or three GPUs, a 10Gbps connection to the cloud, absolutely requires the latest mouse driver in Windows 11, but yet somehow still manages to open on the wrong desktop because the UI crammed together three hamburger menus, an unintuitive context-sensitive icon, a kebab menu at the same place where the cookies settings, adblocker complaint, and “you need to update” requesters pop up.
And the mouse pointer is too small on a 4K screen so you have to wiggle the mouse to see it but at that very instant for some reason the mouse’s battery dies.
I remember back in the day we would rank M$ os’s. We putting this one beside ME right?
New outlook is a web browser skinned to look like an application. ᕕ(ᐛ)ᕗ
This is the same with most software today.
We have extraordinarily fast computers and we still have to wait for shit to happen like it’s 1993.
I’m a dev: the problem as I see it has been the focus on “developer productivity “. This means adopting practices that are not consumer friendly.
The predominant attitude in software development for a while also took user hardware for granted.
You didn’t need to optimise for memory and CPU usage, because computers are so powerful now, and memory was plentiful that it wasn’t anything you needed to concern yourself with, except in the extreme case.
Whereas in 1993, you were much more constrained, so had to squeeze things in to make it run well, or at all.
Doesn’t it also have to go through the process of collecting all the data it can possibly get?
The current practices are to make software faster to create, not to use.
It’s a web page ffs
WebView2 is a disease and slowly clogging up my pc.
That sucks but this is clearly a bug, not a performance issue.
Bugs are performance issues and if unfixed they are QOL disprovement
All bugs are performance issues? I didn’t know that, thanks.
It takes about 5 seconds to show the drives in Explorer for some reason, like its an Amstrad PC1540.
The examples are pretty funny. Is VERY slow. Like I thought old outlook was a bit on the slow side for syncing. The videos they provide are remarkably slow in every day interactions.
The only improvement I notice is the search. But to be honest that feature couldn’t get any worse anyway.
Which is impressive because it still sucks balls. Especially when it misses items, so you need to dig through folders to find the item. Only for the subject to have the exact word you searched for and it somehow didn’t show up.
Plus the annoying top results and search results being mixed in the same view. Either just sort by time or by relevance. Don’t go mixing them together into a messy results view that’s hard to use.
They’ve calmed down a bit with it now, but there was this phase where they had those small little popups all over the place whenever they changed stuff or added something new. Sometimes even two or three of them you needed to clear just to do the damn job you booted up the infernal program for in the first place. It would drive me insane. Especially when there was something actually worth looking at, but I need to do my job first. But in order to use the tool, you needed to close those popups and once you did they were gone forever. So good job remember what it was and how to find it. Such awful UX design.
Tho Plex recently did a full screen wizard to show off their new “Discussion” feature. A feature I do not want and will never use. But I was still required to go through the slide deck on each of my devices before I could use the app again. UX is really an art and in my experience kind of a lost art for the most part these days.
The new Outlook has been a shit show since day 1. When they first released it it couldn’t load PSTs, it couldn’t use COM add ins, it didn’t link correctly with Teams. You couldn’t correctly add shared calendars. The list just keeps on going, and all the things it fell short on was all stuff that business users heavily relied on.
Granted some of them need to go, but it’s like they didn’t even pay attention to what was used.
You forgot drag and drop support…
It’s been truly terrible. When i first tried it, you didn’t get a tooltip showing the actual URL of links before you click them, you know, the thing literally every mandatory phishing training I’ve had to do for the past 20 years.
“I have two Microsoft Outlooks and neither one is working”
What gets me still is our work using MS SSO for all our work credentials but it always tells me to “open outlook and select displayed numerical code” to sign in on my phone but never once has it actually worked even if I’m literally sitting at the desktop with Outlook open on the screen. I always have to select “more options” and have them text or email a verification code.
Sounds to me like your Authenticator app link was broken. Had that happen to me when I did an upgrade of my phone. The phone name stayed the same and the app was restored but the underlying link was broken. Had to completely remove it from the MS security portal and readd it.
Search in Outlook always was a dumpster fire. But the search in the latest version of Outlook has failed to clear even the already low expectations I had for it.
I now save a copy of any email I think I’ll need to reference in the future in a folder on my PC.
You could put them into the pile of trillions of websites online, and Google would still find your file in less than a second. Microsoft has known this to be possible for 3 decades and they still shit the bed when asked to search local data.
Even without the entire other 99.99% of the dumpster fire that is Microsoft, this one fact should have put them out of business 20 years ago.
Microsoft is a testament to how badly our society’s system of value allocation “functions”.
I have to use Outlook for work. It’s difficult or impossible to find the features that were actually useful in the new Outlook.
I still use old Outlook because at least it actually works.
It’s so, so bad. I hate it so much. It makes me angry every time I have to do it. Especially when I try to do some sort of action that’s buried 3 menus deep but it decides to sync something at that moment and just pops you out of whatever the fuck you were trying to do.
Same. I will stick with old outlook as long as I can.
Even opening a task takes ten or more seconds on new outlook. What the hell is it doing that old outlook wasn’t?
Windows 11 ships with two versions of Outlook. There is Outlook Classic, the long-running Win32 desktop app built for power users, and there is the new Outlook, which Microsoft is pushing as the future of email on Windows. The newer one is built on WebView2 and is, in essence, a browser window that loads Outlook.com.
Old Outlook downloads all your stuff when you sync, so it’s immediately available when you try to look at it. New Outlook just being a wrapper around a website probably means it’s asking the server for things as you select them.
I’ve taken to just using the website for everything, because I ran into synchronisation issues with the android app on my phone (which is also shit). I have to be able to switch computers, so that makes sense for me.
The website has got worse, too - over the last couple of years it’s got slower. For something that’s meant to be the future it seems to be going backwards fast!
Don’t get me started on Teams.
Oh that’s bullshit.
It must be really bad over there at that billion-dollar company where they can’t maintain both a website and a native app. Aww.
A native app in their operating system
Yeah, not bothering to maintain a native app in their own OS seems like a capitulation and a admission
Holy fucking shit. Imagine paying millions for enterprise software for your thousands of employees, then you basically get an icon that loads a webpage
What the hell is it doing that old outlook wasn’t?
Eating all your ram I would guess 🤷♂️
Someone in MS saw the old Outlook, heard the complaints, and thought it was a great opportunity to lead a full rewrite and new product launch in order to get promoted.
This is the same idiot misrepresenting WhatsApp ram usage. His job is to inflame, not inform.
I’m so tired of companies replacing apps with far inferior updates. If you need to rewrite, at least ensure it can do the same job.
I’m going to disagree slightly.
IMO, outlook is bloated. It has too many features that are either confusing or difficult to use. Microslop should have released a completely new mail app and given it a new providence along with modern features.
Think gmail but it would work with any email account.
Made with modern programming practices. Streamlined and zippy.
But nope.
They needed to create Outlook (new). Which they enshittified.
I fucking hate Outlook. It is stuck in the age of emails being the primary source of communication in a company. Teams isn’t any better. (Give me back slack please!!!)
But let’s be clear here: we (the users) aren’t Outlook customers. Corporate IT is. And from their standpoint, Outlook does exactly what they need it to do.
Made with modern programming practices. Streamlined and zippy.
LMAO
I’m sure a lot of the bloat is due to needing to make every single thing backwards compatible due to corporations using it and building tools with it for decades.
Bingo! But MS has managed all that brilliantly with Excel, mainly by NOT fucking with it.
Gmail is fine for home use, but not for heavy office use. Outlook is a productivity application and needs to stay one, not just an email client.
My last job used Google for email, auth across multiple apps and office productivity. Worked fairly well, but HR and Accounting still needed Office.
I argued Active Directory would be as cheap or cheaper and far easier to manage, AND give us options we didn’t have. For some reason that whole place hated AD.The misconceptions were staggering, as if all they knew was from Windows Server 2003.
I wonder why they are pushing so hard on new outlook. Its one of their most used products…and people REALLY dont like changes to it.
Because the manager running the program needs to justify their job.
Yeah but try fucking around with Excel like that! Killed, golden goose, all that.
Presumably AI.
I don’t understand how people can stand this sort of software (or quality of software). The only explanation is they are hostages of the situation.
MS is trying to make some of thier money back, after spending all of thier money on AI development,or hositng OPENAI.
That’s been Microsoft’s business strategy for decades now.
I can’t say I’ve experienced any of the problems people talk about here. I use a Mac at work so maybe that’s the difference. The old outlook was an enormous memory hog and slow AF. The new one works just fine.
There are plenty of sites that you can check to get alternatives for everything Microslop is offering and you can’t be bothered to then it’s your own fault.
Go sell that where you work! You and I are not the customer, business is the customer, and catering to enterprise is a whole 'nother ball game.
