• Coldcell@sh.itjust.works
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    As that is a textbook strawman argument I will give you the standard answer to such strawman fuckery, in all caps for style:

    THERE ARE NATIVE, WHITE, CHURCH-GOING MEN THAT DO EXACTLY THE SAME SHIT. YOU ARE BRING IMMIGRATION IN AS THE CAUSE WHEN IT IS OBVIOUS TO ANY ORGANISM WITH 4 BRAIN CELLS THAT BAD MEN ARE EVERYWHERE REGARDLESS. MURDER AND RAPE HAPPENED BEFORE IMMIGRATION YOU DICKHEAD.

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      Don’t be an uncivilized native, white, church going man, and learn to properly communicate online. You sound like an angry kid. I stated my reasons and am open to discussions and you barge here like a wild Tarzan banging your chest and throwing big words thinking it makes you smart and right.

      And the reasoning “there is bad men everywhere” doesn’t change the fact that on one side you have the majority who is fine and a few bad apples, and on the other side you have the bad apples as the default. Ask in Afganistan should women have rights and you will quickly find it’s not a few bad apples, its their way of life. And no, we do not want that way of life in our, different society.

      This doesn’t mean they all need to go, but there should be very firm integration requirements, and if you don’t want to assimilate and live by our common standards, you should leave. You can’t come into someone elses home and expect the owner to live by the guests rules. It’s common sense and our hospitality that we did show - is being abused.

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        Do you have data to prove that asylum seekers and immigrants from these countries commit violent crimes more frequently per capita than white men? I would love to see it but I doubt it’s existence. I believe it only exists in conspiracy theories.

        Also it puts doubt on your argument when you assume someone’s gender and religion when debating them online, even sarcastically.

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          Whilst there aren’t government statistics on this topic, there have been repeated correlations in studies between overrepresentation in crime and migrant status (split on continent of origin, not the US-centric “race” concepts of “white”, “black” etc. which don’t exist here. The correlation isn’t based on ethnicity either). In the Swedish political debate, this correlation (to migrant status) is considered to be fact, regardless of position on the political spectrum. However, opinions on causality still differ.

          Below you’ll find a citation to a 2020 study on the topic for your reading. During the last period of study (2013-2017) it found that a majority of total crime in Sweden was tied to 1st-, 2nd-generation & undocumented migrants. According to this study, the overrepresentation was even higher in serious crimes such as (attempted) rape, sexual offenses, assault & robbery.

          Adamson, G. Migrants and Crime in Sweden in the Twenty-First Century. Soc 57, 9–21 (2020). https://doi.org/10.1007/s12115-019-00436-8

          Feel free to share if you find more recent studies on the topic of crime & national origin in Sweden. I try to keep up to date on the topic.

          EDIT: Made extra sure to clarify that this has no connection to “race” or ethnicity. The question is answered with regard to the Swedish context & situation.

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          No, because Sweden does not release this data. But you can track different types of data, for example, crime ratss before and AFTER significant migratory events. You can find info on the official site, bra.se

          Numbers talk. In 2000, prior to any large waves, there were arouns 2.6k SA’s committed. In 2010, after the first wave, this has doubled, while the native swedish population remains largely the same as % of the demographics. In 2025, this has doubled once more, for a total of ~10k SA’s. There is a problem, yes.

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          I assume then you must be from the USA, because your gender and religion argument is not really an issue in the rest of the world. People don’t really mind and don’t get triggered by this, since nobody is doing this with the intent to hurt anyone.

          I speak from a local perspective from what I see and what I hear. I was waiting on a station for a tram, and a couple of shady dudes, clearly not locals, were constantly going up and down the station, looking at me, going around me and often behind me although there was more place in front of me where I can see them. I DO NOT WANT TO FEAR if they will attack me!

          I was walking with a few friends throughout the center, when we noticed a group of them following us. We turn into a street, they turn into a street. We move faster, they move faster. We slow down, they slow down. When we finally stopped, turned around and looked at them, then they went on somewhere else.

          I do feel fear with them around me. You can’t deny that. You can’t understand that unless you are in the same situation. It’s easy for you to be “righteous” when you don’t need to live in that way. Fear for yourself, for your friends, for your family.

          And there is no fucking reason why I or anyone else should fear walking around at any time of day or night. How much crime was avoided, but the intent to do it was there? I can say I never fealt so in danger around locals. NEVER. And here we are, with people justifying why I should apparently live in fear because that’s the right thing to do.

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            jfc you have an anecdote where nothing happened but you felt scurred? Your poor feelings! Grow the fuck up you idiot.

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        Just say you’re a racist, it lets everyone who wants to talk to racists know what they are in for and saves the time of everyone with more than single digit IQ.

        I cannot vehemently state this clear enough: Fuck off nazi scum.

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          Dude, you are racist. Learn to accept people of different opinion. Don’t fuckin call me nazi when you would love to put people like me in a concentration camp and let the gas flow. Don’t act you are better than me in any way. Fuck off nazi scum right back.

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            Love seeing racist dickheads implode. “no u” really is the peak of your brain capacity isn’t it?

            Don’t accuse me of Nazism because you’ve been called what you are, you racist, islamophobic stain on humanity. Fuck off.