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  • I am not from the EU. Your saying that European soldiers raped Africans? Or are you saying that historically countries from the EU with their imperialistic designs have caused massive suffering? I think the later is common knowledge amongst people who care about these topics.

    France almost invaded? So they tried and failed to maintain imperialistic control and Russia has stepped in. Both China and Russia have greatly increased their imperialistic presence in Africa supplying these country with arms that are used to kill civilians.

    I am not sure you really supported you statement about EU soldiers causing deaths. I am sure EU nations and the USA will be happy to supply arms to the opposing sides in these countries thus enabling the cycle of destruction by imperialistic powers as they fight for control. Making money off of both sides in the conflict are the arms dealers, they are the real winners.



  • The US has been supporting Russia for a long time now and has also been in bed with China forever.

    China is the fourth largest producer of arms providing weapons of murder to war torn regions. They are great because of US not despite it. With their new billionaire class they are looking a lot like a one-party version of the US government.

    The EU is no saint as their policies have been linked to massive deaths and their member nations also supply arms used to kill civilians. I am unaware of EU wars killing so many people. This sounds like some pretty bizarre Russian propaganda.





  • When you examine policy you start to see through the propaganda and begin to realize that the US and most of the world is not operating by the will of the people unless those people are wealthy and well connected.

    https://www.princeton.edu/~mgilens/idr.pdf

    https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba

    This is why policy analysis can push back against or sometimes even reinforce feelings and the propaganda that drives people’s perceptions.

    I like how you say it is not a pendulum and then describe a pendulum. I am getting the feeling you don’t like to be pinned down on any one topic. That is okay, but speaking in generalities is not the most useful rhetoric and one that I certainly engage in.

    I am not trying to write a thesis on the many topics I have brought up, just bite sized digestible viewpoints that you certainly don’t have to agree with. If you would like more context I would be happy to give it to you as I have studied these topics for decades now. I don’t claim any authority or expertise though.

    You are very much into the face of politics which to me is pure propaganda as I see very different motivations attached to actual policies and I certainly don’t think the US has exhibited any leftward motion since its inception. One example of this is welfare. It is primarily designed as social control. So providing food stamps is not really leftist when the reality is it is used to suppress the people.

    I would say the founding fathers were very much proto-fascists with our first President well on his way to becoming the world’s first billionaire adjusted for inflation. If he had not died his sixties he certainly would have.

    Our policies have always been right wing, and as I said before, even things like the civil rights movement was more of an appeasement than an actual change. We can see this in the most recent moves to strip away voting protections for minorities. If the government can strip these rights away so easily what does that say about these rights.

    I find your hand waving of modern slavery away a little disheartening. Also, I disagree that calling the War on Drugs a slow burn genocide somehow takes away from the meaning of the word. The US has destroyed millions of minority families at this point. The intentions were clear and the results speak for themselves. The five acts of genocide are below.

    Killing members of the group.

    Causing them serious bodily or mental harm.

    Imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group

    Preventing births

    Forcibly transferring children out of the group.

    This is just one of many genocides the US has participated in. The US is still actively engaging in genocide with the Native Americans by separating children from families to this day with boarding schools. Also, don’t forget genocide with the sterilization of Puerto Rico and of course providing the Nazi party with aid in the extermination of the Jews.

    Forever chemicals and plastics were invented and proliferated by the US. While other nations are also responsible to some degree you can’t deny this truth. What is even worse is the scientists at the time these chemicals were created had misgiving about the technology that industrialists where very aware of, ignored, and suppressed when necessary.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/3m-forever-chemicals-pfas-pfos-inside-story

    There are countless examples of this including global warming which was predicted at the start of the petro chemical revolution and later buried and denied by the US to such an extreme degree that people now doubt the science that was more or less correct since the 1950s. Your denial of the US hand in this is noted and also a bit confusing for me personally.

    https://www.americanprogress.org/article/climate-deniers-of-the-119th-congress-and-the-second-trump-administration/

    You seem to be offering a lot of counterpoints that reek of denialism. I am not sure if this is just reflexive of you or just a genuine lack of knowledge about what the US has done.

    I think your musings about history are pretty spot on. Your examples of technological disruptions are well thought out. While history doesn’t inform us about AI it does rhyme as you and others have aptly put it. For instance, the parallels between how artists saw photography and how they view AI currently are eerily similar.

    “This industry, by invading the territory of art, has become art’s most mortal enemy.”

    -Charles Baudelaire in 1859



  • So the answers respectively are yes and no then.

    "But, you did respond to me, unnecessarily, and to the wrong comment?’

    I confirmed your above comment about aging was a shit take. It is a public forum, I read it and that was my response. This was so you were sure of this reality with additional feedback from multiple users.

    I get you don’t like that I commented. As I said before, don’t comment if you don’t want a reply from anyone who reads your post. This is a strong possibility in a forum like this.

    I woupd gladly explain why both your statements are garbage, but you only want their response. That is fine with me.

    “And you’re not confirming anything?”

    You don’t want my take you fucking said so. Are you just acting dense on purpose. Don’t answer, that is rhetorical.

    “You’re saying nothing of any substance. Why are you bothering?”

    I already explained this and you already said you don’t want to hear my answer. Cheers!




  • All assessments are through an ideological lense. I explained my lense which is examining policy and where it is heading. I also took a stab at yours which you have confirmed. It amounts to a societal pendulum, which is of course is my very reductionist view of it.

    It is a common but misleading trope on many levels but does have some validity depending on how you look at it. While on the surface this may may often seem true the devil is in always in the details.

    Take the forward march of progress on something like slavery. There are more slaves today than at any time in history. This is also discounting indentured service and a more extreme leftist viewpoint like underemployment or even wage slavery.

    There are numerous examples of this and I think they would challenge your worldview. Take another example like environment degradation. Even though the US has the strongest environmental laws in history (discounting this most recent administration) they still have managed to poison every human with forever chemicals and micro plastics. Not to mention other future catastrophic calamities like the oceans dying off or global warming set to displace billions of people.

    This raises an important criticism of a policy based perspective. Policies are not always enforced and can be also be used for nefarious purposes. Take the War on Drugs for example. Under the guise of a public health emergency the US grew their prison population to encompass 20% of the world’s total declared prison population but only having about 5% total of the world’s population. Of course, we later came to realize that it really was an attack on minorities which amounts to a slow burn genocide by the white nationalists.

    History teaches nothing about the computer or what things like the military industrial complex has achieved through rampant fascism around the world. While it can serve as a predictor of some human behavior it can’t explain how to handle AI. I think this is where history can’t help us even if it is fascinating to study.


  • You believe that societies naturally drift left and right. I believe that policies not perception determine this drift.

    The current issue that is dragging the entire world right is accumulation of money. This isn’t changing without a revolution. This is not going to happen.

    All the major super powers will continue to pass policies towards authoritarianism. There will be no drift to the left except for propaganda that leftist will eat up while policies will dictate the future not feelings.

    Our last best chance was before the Internet got locked down by governments and corporations. The information revolution came and it did not end up benefitting left thought or even policy much at all.

    While I am optimistic about people, I believe reality is painting a very different picture than you are seeing in regards to society as a whole. I do hope your are right, but if I was a betting man (I am not, it is a gentleman’s bet) I would have to say there will be no left revolution in policy anytime soon.

    I think a fair judgement of this would be seeing a decrease in the wealth gap. I don’t think other measures of temporary rights or entitlements (think abortion or food stamps) are actually a good way to show a leftward policy change. These things are temporary and can be withheld or taken away.

    It is kind of like adding a sail to a car that is broken down. Sure you could get it to move if the wind is blowing right, but it is still broken. Universal healthcare has not stopped the rightward drift of Europe, why would it for the US. Isreal has Universal Healthcare and they are about as far from left as you can get.