The mobile ecosystem is what happens when people who went to business school get to make all of the decisions instead of engineers or users.
Security has become the new “save the kids” to swindle people who don’t know any better into giving up their rights.
GrapheneOS is great.
I’ve also used Lineage in the past, and it was pretty great.
Get out of Google’s umbrella.
Someone needs to figure out contactless payment and android auto on Gos
If you are in the UK or EU there is an option . . curve pay (www.curve.com). I run it with a debit card on my FairPhone 3+ using /e/ with MicroG. Works perfectly for tap and pay.
Android Auto works fine for me. Contactless stuff works fine, if it’s not a a credit or debit card. For those, Google has to provide some kind of approval to your OS.
Yeah its the use of my card that is the barrier. I dont want to carry anything other than my phone.
Could not get android auto to work even with google srvices
Everybody puts their phones in some kind of case. Put your credit card between it. You don’t even need the whole card. Just cut out the chip if you don’t need the card for cash withdrawal.
Android Auto works for me, and contactless payments work on an app-by-app basis but I agree that it’s a major pain point - I can hardly use contactless payments at all
Its ridiculous the steps that go into enabling it. When I first went contactless it was a fairly open system and was as secure as having the card in my pocket.
Since this is part of Play Integrity API, it’s more likely that this just completely blocks Lineage/Graphene from running these apps too.
It requires your device to be attested as unmodified by Google’s server
So, just don’t use the Play Store?
I think the only thing I downloaded via the Play Store was my banking apps, which I can go without and just access the browser version when home in front of my desktop
GrapheneOS has virtual Google Play services. You can download and run most apps from the Google store and segment them off to a separate user instance. That’s a desirable feature.
Then this announcement means nothing either way. You can use alternative stores on those phones, still
I was pointing out that switching to Graphene/Lineage doesn’t protect you from the problem being stated in the article as OP implied
GrapheneOS is great.
Sure, if you want to spend twice or thrice the money for a phone. I can get a perfectly acceptable 8GB RAM 256GB storage Motorola G75 for 90€ https://www.cbb.dk/shop/mobiltelefoner/motorola/motorola-moto-g75/?variant=Motorola-Moto-G75-256-GB-Gra_1
Cheapest Pixel available to me is the first gen Pixel XL with 4GB RAM and 32GB storage, which is listed at 240 USD, and that’s a 10 year old phone with shitty specs even for 2016.https://inphone.dk/shop/485-google/1466-google-pixel-xl---sort---32gb/
We need graphene for more phones than Google’s.
You’ll need at least a Pixel 6 to run GrapheneOS. Preferably one more recent with several years of updates for the hardware.
I mean, that’s why I recommended Lineage. Also, you can always go through Swappa or other second hand sites.
Sure, it’s not ideal that it only works on pixel, but it’s going in the right direction
Sorry, didn’t mean to become that aggressive. It’s just the Graphene situation is bizarre. I mean get away from Google, by buying Google products.
It works though.
If you really want to get away from Google you would not use an Android-based OS either.
Agreed. But I got a P10proXL for half price second hand. I just wanted a decent camera. Wouldnt recommend the phone though. Dim, annoying and poor battery compared to Galaxy A55
I thought GrapheneOS had the ambition to bring the OS to more devices soon, or was I dreaming that up?
IIRC Google is making it harder to access the necessary hardware drivers so the Graphene team is securing a new partnership.
https://www.androidauthority.com/graphene-os-major-android-oem-partnership-3606853/
I have a Note 8 running Android 9 and haven’t received security updates for years, and my banking app upgraded last year so locked me out (I sign in through one of my secure web browsers now). I also use a good VPN.
Google can fuck off.
Yeah I’m not sure how Google justifies getting involved here. Disallowing old OS versions or rooted devices has been a thing with banking or secure apps for a long time.
Yeah I’m not sure how Google justifies getting involved here.
Because they see it as lost income and want it back … using force and/or enforced acquiescence.
