Post headline deserves a downvote. Quote from article:
Lanier asked Mosseri what he thought of K.G.M’s longest single day of use of Instagram being 16 hours.
“That sounds like problematic use,” the Instagram boss answered. He did not call it an addiction.
He also didn’t say it was a tomato. Like wtf do you want, I can’t tell if he was asked specifically if 16 hours a day was an addiction. The prior question was about whether he had known she had a 16hr day, and he had not. (He should have; poor trial prep.)
This is sensationalist BS and I dearly want this platform to be better than that.
Just so we’re clear, Meta can die in a fire and the world would be better off, I’m not defending them in the slightest.
He was asked if it was an addiction, and he repeatedly used technicalities and weaseley language to refuse to admit it.
“It’s important to differentiate between clinical addiction and problematic use,” [Instagram head Adam Mosseri] added.
“I’m sure I’ve said that I’ve been addicted to a Netflix show when I binged it really late one night, but I don’t think it’s the same thing as clinical addiction.”
Yet, Mosseri repeatedly said he was not an expert in addiction in response to Lanier’s questioning.
He’s right. Clinical addiction has nothing to do with how much you do something, it has to do with how much it causes problems in your life. I know everyone on Lemmy is tripping over their own hard ons to kill corporations, but there are people using lemmy 16 hours a day and if laws are passed to fight Internet addiction, they will not specifically target corporations. We all go down together. Just ask the creator of Urban Dead.
So someone doing Heroin everday is not addicted if it doesn’t cause any problems in life? Clinical Addiction absolutely does have to do with how much you do something (and other factors of course).
That’s a physical addiction. Drug addiction is a problem physicians handle. Psychologists handle addiction to video games, gambling, sex, the Internet, etc and that’s how they define addiction.
That is simply not correct. It is true that addiction to substances ends in physical dependency. But at its core all addiction is psychological. A heroin addict doesn’t relapse after two years of being sober because he’s still physically addicted to it. In most cases it’s about missing the capacity for emotional regulation. And people addicted to substances don’t get treated by physicians, at least where I’m from.
It is correct. If you do heroin everyday, you will have physical problems. If you stop playing Team Fortress 2 and it causes you to start shaking, vomiting, and shitting your pants, then that’s comparable to heroin. But you won’t do that so they’re not the same types of addiction. That’s why the medical community defines addiction by how something affects your life and not by some arbitrary number of times you do it.
There are more than one criteria by which addiction gets defined. One of these absolutely is how often you do something. How it affects you is not the only criteria by which the medical community defines an addiction, albeit one of them.
Heroin Addiction is different to Team Fortress addiction in the same way it is different to Cannabis addiction, they are all unique in how they affect you. The physical and psychological effects of cannabis addiction are going to be different to the ones of heroin and internet addiction.
If they were only defined by how they affect you, like you argue, then every addiction would be a unique type of addiction, which is not how we define them
Again at the core all addiction is psychogical. We don’t differenciate between them on basis of physical effects.
he repeatedly used technicalities and weaseley language to refuse to admit it
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Yet, Mosseri repeatedly said he was not an expert in addiction in response to Lanier’s questioning.
Even if a nonexpert claims something is clinical addiction, they’re a nonexpert & their word is meaningless.
For a credible statement, they’ll need to admit relevant evidence instead of ask a nonexpert.
Imagine being asked for a medical diagnosis when you’re not a qualified physician.
It’s perfectly fair to point out you’re not an expert on the matter & point out your awareness of distinctions between imprecise conventional language & precise, scientific definitions.
No one is obligated to volunteer dubious claims to antagonize themselves on the stand just because you want them to.
That still sounds misleading. He was not speaking for 16 hours of use which is what the headline suggests. As other has stated, I hope those companies crumble but I think honesty is important, not sensationalization.
I fear for the future of reading comprehension. Before the portion Analog quotes, the article gives people multiple paragraphs of context to understand addiction as what is being talked about. I don’t expect the word to be wedged into every sentence about the same topic. Meta’s Adam Mosseri was clearly doing everything in his playbook to not use the word “addiction” in a sentence.
But I do find it much more concerning that Analog appointed himself judge of bad articles, then either accidentally or intentionally omitted the preceding paragraphs that I had to quote for him.
The entire line of questioning was about addiction and the CEO was pretending it wasn’t (he didn’t want up admit the truth because his company would be liable). The headline was accurate and your take is officially a hot one.
The comments I replied to were heavily edited after I replied. You can comment at the bottom with an Edit: and then explain what you changed. Otherwise, it is known as a ninja edit and it is generally frowned upon because it makes the conversations convoluted. Cheers!
Since you care deeply about truth or something, when will you be correcting your comments that, at best, lack huge amounts of truth that change the contents you put forth? At best, you accidentally skipped multiple paragraphs that contradict your claims. At less best, you knew better.
Yeah and you probably think headlines that say “suspect dead after ICE-involved incident” is fine and that “ICE performs summary execution of innocent person” is sensationalism.
Post headline deserves a downvote. Quote from article:
He also didn’t say it was a tomato. Like wtf do you want, I can’t tell if he was asked specifically if 16 hours a day was an addiction. The prior question was about whether he had known she had a 16hr day, and he had not. (He should have; poor trial prep.)
This is sensationalist BS and I dearly want this platform to be better than that.
Just so we’re clear, Meta can die in a fire and the world would be better off, I’m not defending them in the slightest.
The title is accurate.
He was asked if it was an addiction, and he repeatedly used technicalities and weaseley language to refuse to admit it.
He’s right. Clinical addiction has nothing to do with how much you do something, it has to do with how much it causes problems in your life. I know everyone on Lemmy is tripping over their own hard ons to kill corporations, but there are people using lemmy 16 hours a day and if laws are passed to fight Internet addiction, they will not specifically target corporations. We all go down together. Just ask the creator of Urban Dead.
*hards on
So someone doing Heroin everday is not addicted if it doesn’t cause any problems in life? Clinical Addiction absolutely does have to do with how much you do something (and other factors of course).
That’s a physical addiction. Drug addiction is a problem physicians handle. Psychologists handle addiction to video games, gambling, sex, the Internet, etc and that’s how they define addiction.
That is simply not correct. It is true that addiction to substances ends in physical dependency. But at its core all addiction is psychological. A heroin addict doesn’t relapse after two years of being sober because he’s still physically addicted to it. In most cases it’s about missing the capacity for emotional regulation. And people addicted to substances don’t get treated by physicians, at least where I’m from.
It is correct. If you do heroin everyday, you will have physical problems. If you stop playing Team Fortress 2 and it causes you to start shaking, vomiting, and shitting your pants, then that’s comparable to heroin. But you won’t do that so they’re not the same types of addiction. That’s why the medical community defines addiction by how something affects your life and not by some arbitrary number of times you do it.
There are more than one criteria by which addiction gets defined. One of these absolutely is how often you do something. How it affects you is not the only criteria by which the medical community defines an addiction, albeit one of them.
Heroin Addiction is different to Team Fortress addiction in the same way it is different to Cannabis addiction, they are all unique in how they affect you. The physical and psychological effects of cannabis addiction are going to be different to the ones of heroin and internet addiction.
If they were only defined by how they affect you, like you argue, then every addiction would be a unique type of addiction, which is not how we define them
Again at the core all addiction is psychogical. We don’t differenciate between them on basis of physical effects.
So how many hours of TF2 can you play a day before doctors will diagnose you with an addiction? Four, eight, sixteen?
I guess we could chalk it up to bad journalism because the example was purely anecdotal. It‘s frustrating for sure.
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Even if a nonexpert claims something is clinical addiction, they’re a nonexpert & their word is meaningless. For a credible statement, they’ll need to admit relevant evidence instead of ask a nonexpert.
Imagine being asked for a medical diagnosis when you’re not a qualified physician. It’s perfectly fair to point out you’re not an expert on the matter & point out your awareness of distinctions between imprecise conventional language & precise, scientific definitions.
No one is obligated to volunteer dubious claims to antagonize themselves on the stand just because you want them to.
Pam Bondi, is that you?
That still sounds misleading. He was not speaking for 16 hours of use which is what the headline suggests. As other has stated, I hope those companies crumble but I think honesty is important, not sensationalization.
I fear for the future of reading comprehension. Before the portion Analog quotes, the article gives people multiple paragraphs of context to understand addiction as what is being talked about. I don’t expect the word to be wedged into every sentence about the same topic. Meta’s Adam Mosseri was clearly doing everything in his playbook to not use the word “addiction” in a sentence.
And Adam Mosseri knew better. We know he’s been confronted with evidence of addiction but doesn’t want to listen.
But I do find it much more concerning that Analog appointed himself judge of bad articles, then either accidentally or intentionally omitted the preceding paragraphs that I had to quote for him.
I fear for it currently if you think it’s okay to make up things people said and put it in a headline.
The entire line of questioning was about addiction and the CEO was pretending it wasn’t (he didn’t want up admit the truth because his company would be liable). The headline was accurate and your take is officially a hot one.
Something something defending the billionaires! /s
I just dislike sensationalism.
If the truth isn’t enough, then I don’t want it.
You dislike the truth. You should watch Tobacco CEOs deny that cigarettes were an addiction.
https://youtu.be/A6B1q22R438
Hopefully Analog returns to Lemmy in far less than 12 days, and heavily edits their comments to reflect their error
Yeah, that was some serious ninja editing.
What editing? Didn’t edit either if those posts.
The comments I replied to were heavily edited after I replied. You can comment at the bottom with an Edit: and then explain what you changed. Otherwise, it is known as a ninja edit and it is generally frowned upon because it makes the conversations convoluted. Cheers!
Since you care deeply about truth or something, when will you be correcting your comments that, at best, lack huge amounts of truth that change the contents you put forth? At best, you accidentally skipped multiple paragraphs that contradict your claims. At less best, you knew better.
Post said he said a thing. He did not say the thing. Not complicated.
Could have worded the post title to be accurate: didn’t. Instead, lied.
Words matter. Truth matters. Interpretation is how you get religious people performing atrocities based on millennia old writings.
“[Asshole] Squirms Under Questioning, Refuses To Admit 16hrs A Day Is Addictive Behavior.”
Not hard.
@RemindMe@feddit.org about correcting misinformation in 24 hours
Yeah and you probably think headlines that say “suspect dead after ICE-involved incident” is fine and that “ICE performs summary execution of innocent person” is sensationalism.
The post accurately copies the article’s headline without editorialising.
The article itself is shit though.
This platform loves sensationalism. Same with other platforms.