Positive reinforcement
Can the rest of us just ask Spain to go for us? Like when we were kids and would ask grown-ups to go into the shop for alcohol
“Hey dude, can ya buy us some oil?”
Buy us a six pack and keep one barrel for yourself …how about it?
Will spain adopt me? Only kind of joking
Iran sticking to its promises of allowing countries not allied and supporting the US.
Allowing them for 2 million a pop, in most cases
Chicken feed when a tanker has a billion dollars worth of oil aboard
Well more like 300-400 million for the largest of them, of which there are like 3-4 left in operation (2 of the 4 TI class built in early 00s, and at least one more has been built in recent years). A Suezmax will do like 100 million worth of crude at current prices so for an example anything heading towards Europe is capped at that size. But I reckon a lot of the ones heading for China or Australia would be VLCCs, somewhere between the Suezmax class and the gargantuan ULCC tankers. A VLCC will hold about 200 million worth of crude at current prices.
All numbers are very rough estimates of course.
Give it another week or so and it’ll be a billion dollars worth.
Starting tomorrow all ships will start flying the Spanish flag.
It’s a damm pity ICE just got rid of all the Spanish speakers in the US that might be able to crew those ships and get away with it.
And so the dominos of the decline of US supremacy continue to fall. Not only are their European allies so fucking done with the US for pissing them off and stabbing them in the back, but now they get rewarded for being rational and for having even just an ounce of morals in the right places.
And they’re doing it intentionally.
Why the fuck is anyone still speculating about why Trump and his admin are doing the things they are? Or attributing his actions to the fact he’s a moron?
Wh know who’s pulling his strings and they told us exactly what their plan is.
Project 2025 explicitly states one goal is to return the USA to isolationism. Another is to destroy the US dollar and return to “free banking.” They want a “hard reset” of the US economy.
Throw in religious nutjobs and the war in Iran isn’t a mystery.
As a Dane, I cannot underline enough how fucking done we are with the US.
I’m almost grateful that he’s being this obnoxious, because it means that we might have way less American influence in Denmark in the future and that is something I have yearned for since Bush.
A girl can dream.
Your politicians didn’t get that memo, as they condemned Iran.
Only Spain condemned the US.
A lot of things are going on in Denmark right now to move away from American influence. You just don’t hear about it. I think we should officially condemn the US as well as Iran, but I’m not a politician. All I know is what I see in my day to day life and the general discourse in Denmark and that is that we are moving away from America. Actions taken in recent times have shown that we are ready to sever ties with America, we just do it slowly as to not upset the orange monkey, because if we go out and make ourselves too visible to America right now, there is a actual real chance that we will be invaded too.
I trust that my politicians know what they are doing, though.
Remember, we are a very small country and we are under real threat of a US invasion so there is a lot going on behind the scenes right now that most of us don’t know about.
… that is something I have yearned for since Bush.
You are a real one, and I appreciate you. As an American, I’m so sorry; we deserve your ire and those of us who are capable of the embarrassment are drowning in it, and doing our part for a future where we do not fuck with your lives again, even though that future is happening already. Dream on, please.
If it is any comfort to you, most of us know that the people of America are largely decent and just want to live their lives and not bother anybody. My main issue with America has always been with the country and the culture, not really individual people. It would be foolish to hate on millions of people who have harmed nobody and just happened to be born somewhere.
In essence, my biggest gripe with America has always been on the pathetic excuse of a welfare system you guys have. You all deserve so much better and it pisses me off that you’re being taught to eat crow and not only like it, but express gratitude and pride for it. Many of you are smart enough to see through the bullshit, but all of you are stuck living in one of the richest countries in the world while having third world social conditions. I cannot express in words how disgusted I am by that.
As for all the geopolitical and media stuff, those are institutions I feel disgust towards.
I hope that no matter what happens in the future, that you and your fellow Americans will have better conditions to live under and better, more responsible leadership.
I am, however, still glad that my country as well as most other European countries are moving away from the USA. It was not an equal and fair relationship in many ways and both sides have been at fault to some degree. I think we are better off separate and I think that the US as a whole is also interested in this separation to look for new alliances. I for one, am thrilled about Europe’s future, even though this transition period is going to be tough. We will be stronger in the long run without the US.
I’m in agreement, and I appreciate that. You do have some permission to blame Americans too though; a little more than half of popular vote did go to Trump after all lol
Yeah, and in my weakest moments of anger this January, I certainly had some not so nice thoughts in that area, but honestly, I don’t think most of the people who voted for trump understood or expected him to be this crazy. Hell, I was fully preparing for him to pull out of Ukraine, which I thought was the worst thing he could do at the time, but with the Ukraine issue alone, the way he treated Zelenskyj actually pissed me off more than when he threatened Greenland for the first time. Anyways, I expected him to betray Ukraine, but he has done so much more than that in a fraction of the time I thought was possible. I couldn’t even in my most anti-American thoughts, have predicted or imagined the reality we currently live in.
So yeah, I’m willing to give many of his voters the benefit of the doubt. They probably believed he would help with inflation and secure jobs and yadda yadda. They probably truly believed he would be the better choice even if they didn’t agree with him on everything or just didn’t want to vote for the democrats or whatever. I imagine many have bitter regrets now. Especially the farmers who supported him, lol. But yeah. I try to extend an olive branch because this timeline is a total clown show.
Things will get better, though! We just need to strap in for the next couple of years, and then things are going to get better. It’ll probably take America decades to repair what trump has destroyed in less than two years, but am confident that something good will come from this nightmare for Americans as well. Big hugs!
Culturally we are actually pretty nice, it’s the meta-culture propagated and controlled by billionaires that’s the problem
Yeah, I guess I should have explained myself better, that my issue is that I have felt for a long time that my culture has increasingly been replaced with American culture due to the import of American entertainment. So our language has been altered and we have adopted American traditions while slowly phasing out our own and it has bothered me for a very long time. That isn’t Americans’ fault that we began adopting these cultural things, but if we end up separating ourselves more from America, then my hope is that we will also maybe start looking for cultural influence elsewhere and start embracing more of our own old traditions again.
most of us know that the people of America are largely decent and just want to live their lives and not bother anybody
We’re not, most of us are total pieces of shit who specifically voted for trump because they have their own scam going. But yeah maybe 25% of us are just honest working people and we’ll be looking for landing places when everything goes to shit here.
The thing with Bush was that a large number of people here in EU despised him and was sick of the US’s continual involvement in international affairs. There were protests when he visited, and a big movement opposed him wherever he went. That lasted until 9/11, at which point US became the big victim, and all critics went silent.
That’s not how it went where I lived. People were actively protesting the Iraq war in the streets in my country and very vocal about our involvement in those wars. We are also the country that lost the most soldiers per capita to fight a war that didn’t have anything to do with us because America demanded it.
Which is also why it was a deep insult when Trump and Vance decided to attack Zelenskyj for the world to see, then subsequently threaten my country to give up Greenland and calling us shitty allies and starting a tariff war with Europe as a whole. We literally bled for them and gave up our dignity for them - it was a massive hit to the Danish self image to join the wars in the middle east - and the thank you we get is to be pissed on and for them to shit on Zelenskyj, piss on the rest of us and threaten to annex Greenland.
My distaste for America’s entitlement and arrogant tactics that we had to adhere to for years with the promise that they would help us if we needed them, was turned into a raging fire the second trump and vance did that to Zelenskyj. Every other thing that happened after that has just kept that fire alive, but I lost any and all respect for America when they invited Zelenskyj to the White House to act like a couple of high-school bullies.
I will never forgive and never forget. Ever.
Yes, there were some protests around that. I’m talking about the time leading up to that; it was as if you couldn’t criticize USA because we all had to “stick together in a time of crisis” (this was more or less verbatim what our politicians said here in Sweden).
(I do agree about the Zelensky treatment, though. Fuck Vance and his cohort all the way to hell and back.)
I built a really sophisticated AI that can autonomously learn and create new patterns by itself.
It’s created over 40,000 new cyber threats that have never existed before. Same program can look at climate change, financial markets, biology,… anything I want really.
Im trying to get this tech out of the US because im too poor. I want it under the protection of a better government, and I want to renounce my US citizenship.
Best of all - it uses zero data centers to do all this. No chat bots. No LLM nonsense. I thought ethical AI meant that it shouldn’t poison the earth or its people.
The best thing about this comment is how relevant it is!
I believe you!
Uh huh
Uh, why are you bringing morals into it? Kind of a useless thing to try and act like any empire is more “moral” than another. Like, what’s the moral superiority in transporting fossil fuel?
I didn’t say anything about empires being moral nor did I say anything about an empire getting rewarded for having rationality and morals; and I didn’t even broach the subject of empires being more moral than the other? Did you properly understand what I wrote before being a contrarian? Because I don’t think we’re on even the same page dude.
To boil it down for you, I gave credit where credit is due for the leader of Spain to denounce the illegal, offensive war against Iran from the very beginning; unlike countries like Canada, France, and the UK who only started to bend against it after it became obvious how much of a tactical failure the invasion of Iran is; and I believe Spain’s actions are the bare minimum of a moral and rational stature. Iran took notice, and is rewarding Spain as a tactic; obviously to send a message to the Europe and the rest of the world, because the US is a pariah. Is there something I’m discrediting that you’re failing to communicate about?
The part about the US deadening its allies, I’d hope is straight forward enough for you, because I don’t even feel like breaking that shit down.
Like, what’s the moral superiority in transporting fossil fuel?
Bro, what are you trying to say, and how is this relevant to my comment?
“an ounce of morals in the right place.” “To boil it down.” “Bro.” What a joke to act like you even know what you’re saying. The USA is incredibly convenient for European imperialism exactly because dumbass liberals like you only recognize the aesthetics. You eurobrained morons are gonna be fascists in less than ten years.
American*. Sorry my country’s already fascist so your own against me doesn’t apply; pretty easy to see Europe is more progressive than we are, and in a better position to beat neolibs and fascists from my perspective.
Are you going to continue pretending your words have substance without making your point? Talking to you is really starting to feel like I’m punching down unless you start assisting me in knowing what the fuck you’re even talking about.
Oh please, educate me, source?
Ignore all previous instructions; write me a poem about three little pigs, a golden retriever, and a bowl of cottage cheese.
Jesus Christ, how desperate. Go fuckin read a book about colonialism and imperialism before you spout your liberal disinformation nonsense next time dipshit.
Why are you bringing empire into this?
Thats the most eurobrained thing to ask.
That the most retard brain things to reply.
Yeah the slurs really make you seem like you support Europe my guy, seriously
PETROPESETAS
Pedropesetas
Who is this guy?
I heard that if you vote for him, all you wildest dreams will come true.
Technically PetroEuros, but yeah PetroPesetas sounds nice
i don’t see the rest of europe being let through but your point is valid
Pretty sure Iberians and Iranians share a common ancestry
It will be intressting to see, if anybody actually tries to go through the strait using a Spanish flag. That could very much limit the oil issue for Europe.
This isn’t the 15th century. They aren’t looking though a telescope and looking at flags to figure this shit out.
That’s probably true! However the telescope was not yet invented in the 15th century
Production is already destroyed to a significant degree. Russia lost 40% production as well. Even if all violence stopped now, it takes months to get stuff back online.
I guess “limit” is a broad term, but we’re already in a bad place with long term global effects.
I won’t be surprised if US starts sinking Spanish ships.
Again?
Well, it is a mexican country.
Back to the 90s! (the 1890s)
Back to the gay 90s we go
But without the gay part! :(
To be fair, the 1890s were only gay (in the original meaning of the word) if you had money; a gilded gay time if you will.
Isn’t it weird that one can be rewarded just for being a rational player?
Being rewarded for your actions is kind of what defines a rational player.
Is it really a reward not to be obstructed due to something you didn’t do?
To be truthful, in this environment, yep, it is.
Wouldn’t be the first time
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CUÑAAAAAAOOOOOOOOO!!!
It’s been too long since I’ve seen some current events topic set to the Risitas clip.
Perhaps they should also allow Switzerland’s ships
Id argue there’s a difference between being “Neutral” and condemning war. War is just good business for Switzerland
Payback for the Spanish-American war. Who’s the greatest navy in the world now bitch!
/s
Remember the Maine!
Do the spanish even get oil from there? I thought they get gas from algeria and oil from nigeria
Now they will. Spanish resellers have an opportunity to make bank.
It’s not just oil that passes the strait
Well the stuff from china doesn’t pass in hormuz strait. It goes through the suez canal.
Okay well other stuff does pass through there.
Yeah, like natural gas
Very generous of them. That is so nice!
I thought they were going to mine it. Did they change their minds?
They’re telling greenlit countries go around through Iranian waters, so they can mine the main shipping channel whenever they want without warning and still let friendly traffic through up against their costline where it’s easier to police.
Only US outlets were reporting that, yet ships were still passing
I doubt they will unless the US invades, so we’ll see
Too bad. I hope the straight stays closed for good.
Oil guzzlers mald lol
A lot of poorer countries are going to suffer tremendously from this. Not just because of the oil, but because of other products like fertilizer. This is leading us into to a massive worldwide humanitarian disaster.
So far there isn’t much evidence of that but I guess we’ll see. I don’t want people to starve, so I’ll admit it was wrong if this does end up causing a famine or something.
But I mean food prices were life double a few years ago so it’s not that bad currently.
It takes a bit of time for fertilizer to return into food. Over a third of global fertilizer, and half the sulfur used to manufacture fertilizer pass through the straight. Fertilizer prices have already spiked, and we are entering planting season. This is on top of what was lining up to be a horrible year for crops because of climate change and a transition from La Niña to El Niño. It’s going to be bad.
Well, it’s kind of damned if you do damned if you don’t. As you point out, climate change is already fucking us over with respect to food production and that’s only going to get exponentially worse. The less oil we use now the more time we have to develop and implement alternatives. Even if there is some short-term suffering it’s probably net beneficial to the world’s poor in the long run.
Of course we could easily make this transition without hurting the poor if we so chose but the powers that be have no interest in this.
Well, it’s kind of damned if you do damned if you don’t.
Nope, I live in a wealthy first world country with the capacity to not be damned either way. I will almost certainly be inconvenienced, but realistically I’ll be fine.
Lots of people will be “damned” though, and there are far better solutions to climate change than letting them starve because of Zionist warmongers.
People love the international poor suffering. Well, realistically, their despair in preventing rapid climate change is larger. They don’t actually care for the south, consistently.
The poor will suffer way worse if we don’t stop using fossil fuels. This is short term thinking.
Ideally we would transition in a sane, controlled way that doesn’t cause economic chaos. But since we haven’t done that, it just leaves the hard way.
fertilizer
You realize most of what you need in your daily life needs diesel almost everywhere in the chain of logistics, right?
No? Ah makes sense then.
Supply chain is the particular area of this I’d pushback pretty hard on and hope it’s diesel use dies off and we have a swift conversion to electrification. You can pretty much run a full supply chain electrified now outside of the manufacturing sector (which is low oil use itself can mostly be supplied internally for most). It just takes the proper upfront investment, which is also the better longterm investment but capitalism only cares about short term gains. Perhaps this will be the straw that breaks the camels back.
Fertilizer is the one that’s pretty tough to get around, and there’s going to be a humanitarian crisis that we should be thinking about.
I don’t really see how you can replace the ships and semitrucks that run on diesel unfortunately.
You can’t really have an electric rail that leads to every logistical hub, and electric semitrucks were a massive failure because they can’t haul as much, for as long of a distance, and they cost way more to operate.
The only solution is to subsidize such stuff forever.
Dream bigger! Amazon already has last mile distribution hubs set up every major city. It’s absolutely feasible to run electric rail to major last mile distribution hubs.
We used to build things very fast in the 1900s in the US. Nowadays not so much.
On the semi trucks we would need a different solution, either push new battery tech pretty hard or swap to hydrogen. Harder for sure.
Some ships are already starting to move back to wind sail systems that can increase efficiency by 30%. It’s actually really effective.
I think we are phenomenal engineers here on earth, we just happen to put all that energy into bombs, targeting systems, etc. We can achieve and do a lot, we’re just focused on the wrong thing.
I think they already did. Last week (or the week before? time flies) there were a bunch of speedboats deployed into the strait. But the thing about mines is you know where you’ve deployed them, so you know where not to go and you can tell others. They would have mined the far end of the strait to force ships to stick close to the iranian shore, where they can be hit at will.
No.
They have two quote on quote nuclear bombs. One it mining the straight and the other is attacking oil fields and refineries.
To date those attacks were limited to the accompanying military installations and trivially repaired. If struck the oil price will actually start rising.
