Good riddance. But trust is earned, so let’s judge the guy until we have seen what he actually did.
It’s not just Magyar though. We elected the party that was built from the ground up, without any members of the former corrupt leading or opposition parties. Lots of independent business owners and academics. It was a vote for Tisza, and Magyar is the PM with a very strong moral compass towards anti-corruption.
Is new president any good? I heard he is conservative.
Yes he is. But thats just Hungary, they are the manifestation of nationalism. You could make a left-leaning candidate go up against literal Hitler and Hitler would probably win. So Im pretty happy that it turned out this way, Magyar can make some meaningful changes which may pave the way for more future changes. Cant do a 180° to a whole country overnight.
not a consie, center-right to right.
That is conservative
First let us keep hopes low; we must learn from Labour in the UK to not overpromise.
About fucking time. I’m proud to say that I’ve contributed to this outcome.
I’m gonna go dance in the street now.
After 9PM, Orbán phoned Magyar to congratulate him on his victory; Magyar published this on his Facebook page.
When even Orban is better then Trump…
Tbf this was a jawdropping surprise for us, but happy to take the win
Today we all europeans shall rejoice! One russian spy down! More to go!
This would be something to celebrate if we would treat collaboration with the US equally.
How does this not end in the total dependency on the US?
You do realize that it was the US, too, backing the Orbans there, right?
Psst. Don’t confuse our comrade here.
Then help me out, please. How is Europe going to become independent?
That takes a lot of initiatives and some time but critically it also requires us to stay togetger and strengthen cooperation within the EU. That is also actually exactly why the propaganda you are falling for is trying to destroy this cooperation and the EU.
There is a lot going on and many efforts have accelerated in recent years: rapid transition to renewable energy, Gallileo, Iris2, stronger EU based defense cooperation, contingency trade framework with other global players, Digital Euro and Wero, recent push by France to fully replace Windows, Teams, MS Office in public adminustration (which later on also delivers the blueprint for the private sector to enable transition to sovereign solutions) …
You do realize that it was the US, too, backing the Orbans there, right?
Yes. I think the US is fully lucid about Trump and they were sending Vance to finish Orban. They must still remember how Tesla tanked after Musk supported Trump.
I am puzzled by Orban. He needed the votes of the center. How can he believe that Vance helps?
On the other side the US have fully embraced disinformation. Trump is seen as working for Putin while taking out Putin’s allies.
What people believe doesn’t matter, as long as they are divided. The US switched to coercion. They accept to be hated by the population as long as countries still have to cooperate.
For the unity of the EU, the election is a success. My fear is that the US has been prepared and is controlling the top. Then that unity will be a disadvantage.
Congratulation, your paranoia has lead you to view the EU exactly in the way the US and Russian regime want you to view.
the way the US and Russian regime want you to view.
They have fundamentally different goals.
The US have deep influence on the established parties. The politicians and managers are part of their networks like the world economic forum.
Russia can only try to disrupt this by supporting new parties that are a threat to the established parties.
The US want a dysfunctional EU with a working economy but with bad enough living conditions that their own workers don’t get envious.
Russia is the junior partner to the EU and thus can accept a functional EU as long as they are treated as an equal. However as long as they remain independent they will always be a risk to other EU countries because they could become the biggest economy.
To Russia, the EU under US control is a threat whereas an independent EU can be a partner.
Trump has turned the US into a threat to the EU but the US have not been fond of an independent EU for a long time.
But in the meantime, it is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges, capable of dominating Eurasia and thus also of challenging America.
There is no such thing as a dysfunctional EU with a working economy. The economy of the member states rests on the Single Market which rests on a functioning political Union. There goes already one assumption.
To think Russia considers being a “junior partner to the EU” is borderline delusional. Russia needs the EU functionally destroyed, consequences be dammed because it absolutely insists on rebuilding its empire and oppressing as well as exploiting half of Europe in the process in the mid to long term as great power. This is only possible with the EU being functionally destroyed because it needs to divide and rule for that goal to be achievable.
You insisting that the EU is under US control is detached from reality, when the US has not only turned openly hostile towards the EU, and started supporting the very same forces that Russia is supporting which do not aim for an indpendent EU but the opposite, a dysfunctional EU with national capitals being bought by foreign powers. Also there have been numerous major areas of policy making that Washington DC is absolutely furious about. If that is what an institution controlled by the US does, you have a curious definition of “controlled”.
There is no such thing as a dysfunctional EU with a working economy
The EU ignored the digital dependency on the US for years. That seems dysfunctional to me.
needs the EU functionally destroyed, consequences be dammed because it absolutely insists on rebuilding its empire
That was different in 2001, when Putin gave a speech to the German parliament.
oppressing as well as exploiting half of Europe
What’s your reason for believing this?
If that is what an institution controlled by the US does, you have a curious definition of “controlled”.
The EU is not an American colony. The US control with whatever they have. That’s chaotic. The US have influence on every major party, at least in Germany. I have read stories about each one. Of course they start taking over the parties that Russia supports once they become relevant.
The EU started as a counter-measure to French-German unity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Élysée_Treaty controversy
No EU is better than a dysfunctional EU but a dysfunctional EU is better than a functional one for the US.
Which is what a corrupt EU would want you to think. How can we actually figure out who is right?
That is an easy one. Putin would have no problem with a corrupt EU, nor would Trump, yet they absolutely loath the EU. Also on a systematic level your idea is just deeply uninformed. The EU is an extremely multi-centric institution, pretty much the opposite of an authoriatirian state after Gleichschaltung where everything is super centralised and you only have to corrupt very few to get the result you want. That by itself makes corruption extremely expensive and also risky (as there are so many eyes on the process) because you have to corrupt so many different players to get the result you want. Another reason why Trump and Putin try so hysterically to destroy the EU, other than the capability of the EU to create unified action, even if it arises out of such a multicentric machinery.
Putin would have no problem with a corrupt EU,
He would, with a EU corrupted by the US.
where everything is super centralised and you only have to corrupt very few to get the result you want.
What about the European Commission?
Well done! Congrats to our Hungarian friends!
Thank you! Absolutely incredible, 79.5% voter turnout - people really had enough of Orban
JD did a great job. lol
Thanks for the assist!
fuck that this ain’t his victory
new and terrifying american weapon
I didn’t imagine in my wildest dreams that fucking someone’s couch could have such a consequential impact.
the only one i will credit him with a “victory” is antipoping a pope
I think you’re missing the joke
Oh I get it, I just refuse to give a victory that belongs to the people of Hungary to Jadie Vance.
he was able to reap the popes soul, and death touched an election chances of orban.
GOOD job hungarians.
It is a real relief, but somehow i have a bad feeling about him ‘serving the country from the opposition’.
Magyar may have a supermajority. We’ll know in the morning fingers crossed.
Good job, Hungary!
So he does have a two third majority… maybe call me a pessimist, but i believe that orban is either gonna make spme kind of law before where magyar needs more than two third to change something or there is something else going on in the background. I mean, Orban would most likely land in prison if the state really would change?
Yes, he does. 69.35%, with just 1.06% left to be counted.
Ah, so the supermajority is official now? Great news.
Yes. Few seats are close, but votes from abroad are counted when they arrive later, and those usually are not fans of Orban
Depends on the generation. Older or earlier emigrants are Orbanists for sure. More recent ones are not.
My childhood friend who fucked off to Canada, got kicked out and banned from ever entering again, and now lives in Florida, is a massive Trumper, immigrant hater (ironic), and a reservist-dependa. She voted for Orbán every time.
Maybe he is already on a plane to russia
