Sweden will transfer 16 Gripen C/D fighter jets to Ukraine free of charge.
Awesome. 👍 👏👏👏
Opening the article I get a slightly different headline:
Sweden Hands Ukraine 16 Gripen Jets Armed With 200-km Missiles, Opens Deal for 22 More
I can’t see anything in the article on when these jets will be available to Ukraine, but “hands” sounds like it’s pretty immediate?
Apparently they’re hoping to deliver the first jets in December/January, so in about 6 months. From what I gather they’re buying the E/F variant (latest version) which will be delivered in 2030, but as soon as the deal is finalised they’ll get the 16 free C/D (previous version).
Sweden is currently upgrading its fleet from C/D to E/F, with the first one delivered in October 2025.
Cool, December/January is pretty quick.
I so wish we (Denmark) had bought Gripen instead of F35. 🤥
I really really hope our new government will cancel the F35 deal. 🙏
Eat shit, Russia.
Slava Ukraini, Slava SAAb!
Took longer than I’d have hoped and with the caveat that they have to buy new planes to get the old, but: Fucking hell yes!
How do the gripens measure up to say F-16’s and the like?
Fairly well. They have different strengths and weaknesses. The Gripen is designed to work with a minimal crew on dispersed airstrips. 500-1000m straight road is a runway for it. It’s designed to fight Russia, so it should be a good fit for Ukraine.
That said, Europe fuels the war. Since Russia will not give up, it means the war will not finish soon
That said, Russia fuels the war. Since Europe will not give up, it means the war will not finish soon
If Europe don’t behave cowardly and send its army to help Ukraine , this war could finish soon
Oh no, bad Europe helps to uphold basic country’s right of territorial integrity and existence.
What a bot you are.
War can be finished the moment Russia goes home. Ukraine never wanted this war but Russia somehow forgot to ask
Gather a European army ,send Ukraine to give a hand to Ukraine and end this war asap. Europe use Ukraine as a proxy and dont get their hand dirty . I know that Russia is invader and imperialist but it doesnt change anything What I said about Europe . Europe is the lesser of 2 evils . If not ,then Kaja kallas would not stand silent on Action of Israel .
Europe won’t do it. I don’t think it’s because it’s proxy war, rather few other reasons.
Firstly, because every European politician knows that they will lose next election or even get removed. I doubt many Europeans will go fight for Ukraine. Those who wanted - already there in foreign legion or volunteering. Shit, polls show that Europeans barely want to defend their country. Except maybe Poland. But there is no way Poland will send army to Ukraine.
Secondly, if Europe will be too aggressive risk of China to get involved becomes high. It’s not like China is Russia’s bro. China making a profit from selling “dual purpose” goods and buying shadow oil at discount. If China gets involved then US is too, though at this point I’m even not sure on which side.
Thirdly, it’s maybe counterintuitive but helping Ukraine with only equipment and funds without getting directly involved may be the only tactics which will work against Russia. Russia’s recruitment is diminishing. Russian society somewhat like American - individualistic, indifferent and nationalistic at the same time. Sending European army can reinforce “we fight against NATO” propaganda points and boost recruitment
Europeans do want they do always - play long and safe. It maybe not good but IMHO better than destabilizing things even more. Unfortunately all those coulda shoulda simply not possible in real world because of how society works
Your comment reminds me of the old Jimmy Carr joke.
(Trigger warning, SA)
hidden or nsfw stuff
Ladies, remember that you can all prevent rape. Just say yes.
Read my other comment
Spoken like a true putinist tankie.
Read my other comment under my comment
Do you think that holds true for all conflicts? That the one attacked should not fight back because it prolongs the conflict?
Gather a European army ,send Ukraine to give a hand to Ukraine and end this war asap. Europe use Ukraine as a proxy and dont get its hand dirty . I know that Russia is invader and imperialist but it doesnt change anything What I said about Europe . Europe is the lesser of 2 evils . If not ,then Kaja kallas would not stand silent on Action of Israel . Ukraine fight for Europe too ,So europe must do their best for Ukraine not it doesnt
And your alternative proposal that ensures Ukrainian survival and sovereignity would be…?
While Russia is weak , create a European army and send Ukraine to help Ukrainians and finish this conflict ,not use Ukraine as proxy . Europe use Ukraine as a proxy to totally weaken Russia . Ukraine fight for Europe too but Europe dont to their best .
“Create a European army” is not done in an instant exactly. Even if the EU could all rally behind that, it would take decades. Ukraine also said multiple times it does not need foreign soldiers, only weapons and ammunitions.
