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This is why I use Waterfox paired with DuckDuckGo tbh. Brave is a scummy company.
Use LibreWolf instead. Fuck Brave.
Brave sucks, lol, I use other browsers
Awesome, monetization of enshittification.
There’s no way people will actually pay for this, right? … right?
“Origin” is a peculiar choice for a version name. I wonder if they’re trying to go off of the popularity of a common extension
Brave runs an ad network.
Explanation: buy a new one with updated back doors.
Yet people keep recommending products by this scummy company and pile on Firefox for slightest missteps.
Mozilla should be scrutinized, even if Firefox is currently the best option.
I think the only thing keeping them inline is loud community backlash everytime they make one of those misssteps.
I think everyone should be held to the same standard. We can yell at Firefox a bit less. We should yell at Brave a lot more.
Same standard means we make noise when we don’t like something.
People dont seem to be scrutinizing though. Its genuinely unhinged and often completely misinformed. They will jump on a single line of a legal text and use it to springboard into a world of scenarios even when Mozilla is saying its not true.
It doesnt help improve the product it just makes people think all products are bad and fallback to whatever the comfortable majority is which is chrome.
Sometimes corporations lie.
It’s not being unhinged to say you don’t like something. And the way that Mozilla is embracing “AI” is not welcomed.
Who cares it’s a corporation, it doesn’t have feelings. Anything to keep these corpos in line.
Tell this to the Steam fanboys
best
least worst
Sorry man, but the minute Firefox added that keylogger, I dipped.
Firefox rendering engine is dogshit and they are massively behind.
This coming from someone that was using Netscape and Mozilla and Firefox since its release.
Firefox doesn’t include a keylogger. It does have the infamous privacy preserving attribution but this can easily be disabled in settings.
In contrast, Chrome is literally a tool for Google to gain as much personal information as possible for Googles advertisement platform. It has the worst privacy features of the three major browsers and cannot be fully made private due to crippled extension support.
Firefox engine has some catching up to do, but the Safari rendering engine is behind Firefox on features.
Okay, it was always allowed to shoot yourself in the foot by going Chromium-based.
I find LibreWolf to be the better option for privacy, I never have an issue with rendering.
I don’t know what you’re on about. There is no keylogger and I don’t have any issues with the engine unless it’s some weird ass “chrome experiments” style website which I couldn’t care less about.
You either die a Netscape Navigator, or you live long enough to become a… any of em, really.
They removed the paw, they are worse than Chrome! I’m going to use an alternative version that cannot exist without the main project to teach them a lesson!
this is a new browser and i have no idea why anyone would want to use it
because Brave is unchanged and still the best browser in the world right now
WOOOO!
Alternatives being even worse doesn’t make firefox good, or invalidate any objective criticism against it.
I did not say otherwise.
All of the current browsers have major drawbacks. Brave has many features that other browsers don’t offer. They’ve made what is quickly becoming the industry standard adblocker, being adopted by Firefox, Waterfox, Comet, and even Ladybird browser. No extensions required.
Most browsers don’t allow you to easily toggle on and off certain privacy features on a per-site basis. That’s why I use it primarily.
Origin is free on Linux.
Until Servo and Ladybird are ready, this strikes the best balance for privacy and usabllity, in my opinion
Brave has many features that other browsers don’t offer
Such as? Crypto nonsense?
The adblocker? OK I guess, except they are still just a middle man for ads (hence the crypto nonsense).
I dont see the value.
Why do you ask questions that I already answered in the comment you replied to?
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Most browsers don’t allow you to easily toggle on and off certain privacy features on a per-site basis
I don’t know what “certain features” are. LibreWolf lets me easily enable WebGL on per-site basis and uBlock could always do that anyway. I don’t need to touch anything else.
Origin is free on Linux.
Yes, and you can also toggle everything off via config. That does not matter, it’s still a scummy move that should be ridiculed. How, exactly, is a dashboard that toggles some settings on or off is worth 60 dollars? It’s not “paying for convenience” it’s a tax on tech incompetency.
I don’t know what “certain features” are.
Would you like to know or were just just wanting to be contrarian?
How, exactly, is a dashboard that toggles some settings on or off is worth 60 dollars?
It’s not. And its not supposed to be. Its to fund the development of the browser.
It’s not. And its not supposed to be. Its to fund the development of the browser.
“Deal with worse UX or pay us to develop more crap” is not a good way to entice “voluntary” donations. Though I guess they know their audience is full of copium anyway, maybe it is an effective way at least, we’ll see.
Would you like to know or were just just wanting to be contrarian?
Funny you should say that, usually when I check tech threads - somehow you’re always there being downvoted to all hell for writing something edgy in a very pedantic (i.e. obnoxious) way. Including this thread. You could have just listed the damn features twice already when prompted about them, but you’re actively choosing to continue bullshitting as though you’re on twitter and farming for clout. I think I’ll just block you now.
“Deal with worse UX or pay us to develop more crap” is not a good way to entice “voluntary” donations.
That’s okay because that’s not what’s happening, as I’ve already explained. It is a purchase, not a donation. It’s not a novel approach, many other beloved FOSS software take a similar approach to secure funding. Off the top of my head, Zorin OS, Immich, OSMAnd, OnlyOffice, Cryptpad, etc.
You could have just listed the damn features twice already when prompted about them
I was never prompted. You could have just asked. But I think it’s abundantly clear at this point that you just don’t want to know.
Thank you for blocking me, I appreciate it.
I’m curious how their adblocker blocks more than 100% of all ads, cuz that’s what they’d need to beat ublock (which existed before brave did).
To be fair, he said something about built-in
But I’m with you
The choice of high quality ad Blockers per addon is nothing that’s wrong with FirefoxLOL neither one blocks 100%
I feel like if you’re writing the sentence “an optional, paid version of our browser that offers Brave […] without its extra features,” you need to sit back and take a long, hard look at yourself.
Adds features and asks for a payment to access the toggle buttons
hahahahahaha
Firefox users stay winning. I love how mad some people are about Firefox.
I am not mad about Firefox. I am mad about Mozilla.
won so much uninstall when it showed a world cup advert to everyones face the other day. the forks are great, but the fox is getting enshitificated in every possible way.
Not this face. Didn’t see shit. Where?
On the mobile app, when you open it there’s a non-removable FIFA widget in the home page. I hate it.
Edit: I’ve tried again and now they added an option to remove it. But still, why would I want a fucking soccer widget in my browser?
Yeah it’s doing that to me too. The ‘Countdown to the world cup’ thing? Fuck the world cup, fuck these ads, I’m only still using Firefox because I can’t be bothered to migrate all my bookmarks to something better.
Exactly, and the world cup of soccer is managed by FIFA, one of the most evil organisations in the world.
Firefox is a beautiful product managed by a retarded company. Mozilla should die and just become a non-profit.
FIFA, one of the most evil organisations in the world
Sorry, but no matter how bad and corrupt FIFA is, calling them that is ridiculous. Your average American health care/insurance company and their “deny, defend, depose” operation is probably worse.
The Firefox forks let you migrate everything seamlessly for the most part.
What would be better though?
I have my problems with mozilla, but between apple, google and mozilla, they absolutely win in my book.
I also use a fork on most systems, but I still use Firefox pretty often, and I can think of a lot more ways it could be worse and isn’t being enshittified.
Didn’t even notice it
Brave has always been a joke. And Brave users will always be a joke. And anyone who’s ever simped for Brave will always be a moron.
Rude. But not inaccurate. Brave pretends to be better than Chrome and Google, but also Mozilla and Firefox at the same time, though Firefox has always done it better and has never contributed to the chromium monopoly. Greed over diversification of the Web and competition between browser engines to effect real change. The least Brave could do is make their own engine.
Rude. But not inaccurate.
when do you think brave will overtake firefox in share worldwide?
1 year, 2?
lol
Never?
Eh, I use it for watching youtube.
For some reason (likely youtube fighting my adblockers) I get tons of errors and issues with youtube on firefox. But Brave works alright, and also blocks the ads. So it’s my dedicated youtube browser.
never had issues with firefox and ublock origin and youtube and whatever and neither on android, linux, windows or whatsoever. guess i am just not dumb enough
Gotta refresh em sometimes. When ublock stops managing youtube perfectly, I reload all the filters. Sometimes I don’t even need to close out the browser, just the filters.
The bad news is, if you’re not on Team Tux, you’re going to have to pay $60 for Brave Origin. Granted, you only need to buy it once, and you’ll get unlimited activations across all of your devices.
It’s amazing people still believe this BS.
They’ll probably hold to it for that exact product. If they rebrand it and add it back, that’s no longer the same thing you paid for ;)
Ya, that’s the really obvious take. That’s teh way you do biz these days.
Like, that’s what’s gonna happen to all those ‘lifetime’ Plex accounts. Sure, you still have access to ‘Plex-classic’. But you don’t get any of the new Plextastic services … unless you want to pay the $1,999 upgrade fee …If I get to use the exact product I paid for a lifetime account for forever that does kinda sound like exactly what I paid for.
Trust me. You need Plextastic. Its got all the cool new stuff. Just a small fee.
You will come around.
Totally off topic, but I drink at a bar called Spaghetti Western!
Hillsboro, OR.
That’s a brave move.
I read the article.
But also I’m out of the loop on why ppl hate Brave. Can someone clue me in?
Is there a better cross-platform browser? I like to use the same one across devices.
I don’t have a strong opinion on brave, but here’s some reasons I can think of:
- cryptocoin shit
- based on chromium (so using this instead of firefox, for example, increases google’s hegemony – and this is true: even though chromium is open source, google completely controls its direction)
- CEO is a homophobe
- scammy business practices like inserting affiliate codes in urls
And this is just the stuff that I know from the top of my head. I don’t particularly care about this topic, so I’m sure there’s more. Although, having written all this out, I can sense that my opinion of Brave has worsened significantly.
Isn’t it open source ? Can someone build a fork with all of this shit removed ?
It’s based on Chromium, which is open source. It IS the fork.
Yeah I guess. Doesn’t really change any of the arguments against it though. I mean, it’s good that it’s open source of course, but the ceo is still a homophobe, for example. And it still chromium based, and so on.
The CEO is a POS and has ties to other rich unsavory people
In the past they have done money grabs. It’s been quite a while now.
They still run their own ad network and search engine, They’re definitely down to sell you out if you let them.
If you never sign up for the crypto, or use the VPN, and remove the buttons, it won’t hurt you.
If you run a plugin you can remove their newtab / default page
If you change the settings you can move off their search.
it is open source https://github.com/brave/brave-core
The only thing you’re getting out of them that’s above any other de-googled option is their anti-fingerprinting which is a little better than the others.
The other reason you’d run them is because they have a paid development staff blocking Youtube ads and they’re not doing it at the plugin level, so it’ll likely outlast the plugin models in Youtube’s race to piss people off.
In the end, if you’re in it for the paid blocking, doesn’t hurt to pay them something if you’re turning off all the stuff they’re using to make money on you.
If you’re in it for any other reason, there are literally dozens of forks you could use that give you the same experience that aren’t trying to sell you as their product.
In the end, if you’re in it for the paid blocking, doesn’t hurt to pay them something
Well other than the LGBTQ community that the CEO funds legislation against, but they don’t really matter /s
The CEO is a POS
I said that, but what do i know.
And followed it up with
In the end, if you’re in it for the paid blocking, doesn’t hurt to pay them something
But what do I know 🙂
It’s sold as a privacy-focused browser but it doesn’t actually have a good track record or features for it. The company has made several questionable choices.
Firefox or fork of choice plus a couple of extensions
Firefox, or its fork Librewolf if you really value privacy.
I’m using waterfox as my dedicated porn browser and have found few faults. Maybe I’ll go that direction for my main browser.
I tried LibreWolf and had issues that I can’t remember now.
Zen is just preselected no telemetry Firefox, also bleeding edge with Firefox updates
Brave is fine ish but they have issues, and a lot of them, which they usually fix within 24 hours but they’ve had a track record of like 8-10 issues per year, so just under once a month.
Don’t downvote me to hell cause it’s a reddit link, sorry, this is the most concise list I know of: https://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/s/AErPH6iMl0
Brave is the only browser I’m aware of whose “issues” rise to the level of “we’re going to hijack your URL bar and insert our own affiliate links”
Apparently it was an auto complete issue that was fixed within 48 hours, but even still, there’s always something wrong with Brave multiple times a year
I haven’t heard of Zen and just checked out the wiki on it.
There are so many browsers! It’s hard to decide. I’ve tried quite a few over the years. Been running Brave as primary for 3-4 years.
I appreciate the Reddit link. Yikes. I’ve noticed the enshittification of Brave but didn’t know all the bad stuff they’ve done.
I do like that Brave works well on all my devices and sync is reliable. I don’t like running different browsers on diff platforms.
Time to do some testing and research…
Yeah, I like sync too and you can use Firefox sync with all Firefox based browsers.
Brave’s ceo also donated to California political efforts to overturn protections for gay marriage in the past
They hate the politics of one of the developers.
It’s so hard to find good things as it is. Adding in politics of devs adds yet another layer to it!
I recently started using FUTO keyboard and then learned someone they associate with is a bad dude.
It’s like, come on guys. I’m trying to degoogle, avoid enshittification, and be privacy and security aware… and then there’s this curveball that I have to factor in too.
