• Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    In my own experience here in Portugal were the whole country (well, the whole Iberian Peninsula) was hit by a 24h electrical brownout and then a few months later the place were I was living in was hit by a big freak storm effect that damage power-lines, trees, lots of roofs and so on, so we got another 4 days or so without power, and in my experience beyond the obvious (some canned food, some dry food) it’s good to have a couple more things:

    • First and foremost you want water. Not just drinking water but also water to flush your toilet once in a while. In my case, both times the power went down for long the water supply also went down. I live in a city so there was still water in the pipes for some hours, so as soon as I noticed the power was out I just filled some big containers with water using whatever water was still dribbling out and that was enough so that I didn’t need to leave the worst stuff in the toiled (if you get my drift). Also have some bottled water for drinking stored somewhere, at least 5l per-person.
    • You want some actual cash at home. In the situation I went through, even though power was out some shops were still trying to sell what they could (of course, because there was no power, they were doing the maths by hand and couldn’t take card payment as payment machines need power and an actually working telephone network to work none of which was available in a nationwide brownout) and as I had actual cash I could go to one and buy some extra canned and dry food just in case. Even if you forgot something in your preparation (like some people who didn’t even have bottled water at home), having some cash means you might be able to actually buy those things.
    • Keep in mind your fridge is not going to work if there’s no power. I actually started preparing and consuming the stuff in the fridge first, then the stuff in the freezer. If you’re like me and tend to go out and buy most of the food for the week once a week and always some have extra food in the freezer, you’re going to have at least some days of food from trying to empty the fridge and freezer before it spoils, before you switch to canned and dry food. In my specific case, but day 3 the freezer had defrosted (even though I avoid opening it) so actually the food that was in the fridge and freezer was enough even for the longer period without power (since it wasn’t peak Summer so if you cook some food one day it’s still ok the next day), though some food spoiled.
    • I was lucky that I have gas from the gas network and I had gas for cooking the whole time during both events. If you have electric cooking only, you’ll need some backup for it, maybe a basic camping stove and a small gas bottle for it (both are pretty cheap).
    • Have flashlights, and possibly candles for illuminations. This shouldn’t need to be said, but sometimes you only notice it when you need it.
    • A nice to have is a wind-up or battery powered radio. There’s no power, you can’t turn your TV on to check the news, and the mobile network will last about as long as the backup batteries of the mobile towers last (a few hours) and then your phone will have no Internet. By that point the easiest way to be informed about what’s going on is by listening to the news on the radio. I mean, you can talk to other people on the street, but in my experience I with a radio was much more well informed than most of them.
    • Talking about mobile phones, it’s a good idea to get a small charger powerbank and keep it topped up so that your portable devices actually keep on working. Even with mobile network, a smartphone or a tablet can still provide entertainment. After the first 1 day brownout here I actually went and got one of those and it was useful later when we had several days without power, which being localized and the product of a freak storm wrecking a lot of the local power network meant we actually had mobile network after a while but it took some days beyond that for power to be restored to most houses (and I’m inside the city limits - people further out spent longer without power).

    This stuff is for a just pretty basic kind of situation that leads to being without power for up to a week (and by extension no water since the pumps of the water company aren’t working when there’s no power).

    I actually have more layers to my emergency preparedness and could keep going for at least a month, but at that point we’re talking about things like freeze dried food or bagged army rations (a can of freeze dried food has a much longer good-until period than bagged food, and whilst it does need water and some way to warm it up, you can just buy a couple of cans per person just in case you ever need it, store them in a box somewhere and not worry about it for up to 25 years officially - non-officially they apparently last even longer - whilst the army rats last maybe 4 years so if you’re seriously about being prepared that way you need to buy new ones often as older ones expire), some means of water purification, like tablets, and some kind way of sourcing power (for example, a solar-charged power station) if you want at least your portable digital devices to keep working for entertainment.

  • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
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    Not in UK but way ahead of them. I have canned food for couple of days and stockpile of rice, pasta, lentils and such. From camping equipment I have couple of gas stoves (with gas, of course) and water filter. I have a barrel full of rain water and some bottled water as well. I could probably stay inside for a week comfortably or 2-3 with some rationing.

  • ikidd@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    8 hours ago

    Has the UK government just tried declaring el Nino a terrorist and having it arrested? That might work.

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    Here in Finland we have a strong recommendation from the government that everyone should have enough supplies to last 72 hours. There’s guides available on what to have, how to do it and what to take into consideration. It’s far easier for everyone if something big happens (storm, flood, war, problems with electricity/water grid…) to the rescue workers if the whole population isn’t in an emergency after few hours. I think that’s becoming more and more important globally as the climate changes and global environment gets more and more unstable.

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      I think I’m just unclear on what exactly it is that I’m supposed to be stocking up on, it’s not like the supermarket sell MREs. I mean I have tinned soup and ravioli and stuff but that still needs power to heat up. So I’m really just left with crackers and biscuits and things and bottled water but even that has a shelf life.

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        With a lot of canned stuff you don’t need to heat it up (this includes soup). You just eat it right out of the can. Heating it up is a luxury, but it’s completely edible right from the can. If you’re worried, shake it slightly first then open and eat.

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        13 hours ago

        Fire, barbeque or gas stove works without electricity.

        Army surplus and outdoor shops have food that lasts years and don’t need refrigeration.

        Bottled water is a scam. If you can drink your tapwater, use that and fill up a few big water jugs. Rotate every few months.

        Most things have a shelf life but you should be rotating your stocks often enough to not let things spoil.

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        13 hours ago

        You should rotate the supply on your daily life. Get canned foods, eat them, replenish supply, rinse and repeat. That way the shelf life isn’t really any concern. Also it’s only for 3 days and for emergencies. If you have water and biscuits it’s enough to survive long enough that rescuers and volunteers have time to set up pre-planned places where people can gather with generators, gas/wood stoves and such so you’ll have more permanent shelter to stay in until the bigger problem is resolved.

        Sure, it’s not glorius and you might miss a french omelette for breakfast couple of times, but if you have even something it’s way better than having nothing and being in immediate crisis if something happens.

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      41 minutes ago

      Best way to think about it is that civilization is already broken (we broke it) and shit inevitably has to fall apart before anything better can happen.

      “If you’re going through hell, keep going”

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    That’s easier said than done btw, like yeah stockpiling some long lasting cans of food is easy and even if you forget them they’ll probably still be ok to eat but really what you want is to rotate that pantry so it has somewhat fresh stuff at all times. You also need water, which really is the Biggie here if the tap stops working. Of course also stuff for cooking/heating up if you have no gas or electricity into the house.

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            10 hours ago

            FYI, most home solar setups are grid tied. This lets you sell power to the grid, as well as supplement it with grid power, when required. The downside is that it goes down with the grid, so not to back feed and electrocute linesmen.

            To go independent you need a more expensive system with a fail over mode. It drops out with the mains, but then fires a switch that disconnects you from the grid. It can then fire up again in off-grid mode. The reverse process is needed to reconnect to the grid.

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              You can get a small solar power station (the kind that has an output plug and can generate AC power) and some solar panels to charge it, for less than £200.

              It’s going to be limited in how much power it can put out (the one I have has a 500W limit) as well as how long it will last (mine would last about 2h if drained at a constant 500W) but it’s still reasonably cheap and it’s enough to, for example, power my TV and the little Mini-PC I use as a media box, and let me watch my offline library of films.

              About £1000 - £1500 will get will get you something that can push out more power and with several times more power storage along with more/bigger portable solar panels so that you can actually charge the bigger storage.

              The point being that this isn’t sized to be capable of providing 3000W peak and supply all your power needs during the night and then get charged from solar panels during the day all while the panels are still providing all your power needs during the day, this is something to just support a few lower power devices (so, not your washing machine or your heater) for a few hours - it’s basically a portable solution for use when, for example camping, that also works as an emergency preparedness solution to power a few things.

              Mind you, if all you need is to just run a tablet to watch some films in, listen to some music or read some books, about £50 will get you a solar charged power bank. This was actually the solution I had in place recently when there was some freak storm were I lived and we were out for power for 4 days.

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                I’ve actually got one myself. I would have to get creative to get it recharged from my solar panels. The inverter is grid tied, and would need to be bypassed.

                The original comment was talking about having a server up. That, and the networking kit to make it useful, would draw quite a bit. A lot more than you would get with a portable solar panel in the UK. To keep that up would require significant panels and storage capability, which implies fixed solar. Hence my comment warning them.

                I know a few people who thought they would be fine in a power cut, due to having solar. I set them straight on that, before it caught them flat footed at least.

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            Solar with an off grid inverter I hope. Or at least have a DC/DC solution to get the required voltages, but I doubt many people have what it would take to handle such high voltages.

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    Isn’t it over now it’s coming into September. I don’t imagine there’s going to be many heat wave through a while.

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      Firstly, it’s not over - in the UK it will cause big storms and potential flooding into the winter.

      Secondly, the whole point is to encourage long-term disaster planning. Saying ‘we’re fine until next time’ and then panic buying on the cusp of the next event is exactly the thinking they’re hoping to address.

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      The weather during spring/summer/autumn affects the food supply year round. If a crop fails in the summer due to heatwaves or floods thats it - no more until the following year.

      The situation in the ME affects the price/availability of oil products and fertilisers. Fuel prices makes it more expensive to import food. Fertiliser shortages makes it harder to grow anything here and around the world.

      The fact is we’re used to going to the supermarket and picking up whatever we want at a decent price, all year-round. That’s becoming more challenging and could fail this winter.

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        It’s all starting to wobble. You know when you start losing control of your vehicle? And you overcompensate in one direction then the other- except we’re not even trying to correct shit, we’re going straight into the ditch.

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    14 hours ago

    They’re talking about this but are we all likely to be affected? It sounds like it’s talking about roads getting blocked up but I live in a big town near two big cities, not exactly isolated. It doesn’t sound like it’s talking about supermarket shelves being empty.

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      Supermarkets rely on just in time deliveries. We learnt during COVID that even a slight delay can cause problems. Enough people then panic buy to snowball it.

      It would take remarkably few road closures to leave towns isolated from supply chains. A 72 hour buffer is very useful in those cases. Even if it’s just to relieve short term pressure on those supply chains when they reconnect.