We held a virtual encounter with Al-Farra and his patients this past Monday via a video call. In the past few weeks, we’ve sought to document what starvation looks like in Gaza, to witness the gravity of the situation with our own eyes. Israel doesn’t allow journalists into the Strip, but via video we’ve been able to conduct real-time, online tours of hospitals and clinics.
For this article we conducted four such tours, in different places, and conducted separate conversations with another 12 doctors, 10 of them volunteers from the United States and Britain, who are currently in the Gaza Strip or were there recently. What we saw there left no room for doubt about the scale of the horror.
If only Hamas would just surrender.
These children specifically were responsible for the kidnappings. /s
Denying them food until they die is the only way to achieve justice for Israel. /s
Nothing to do with ‘justice’. Israel’s actions here are abhorrent and they are responsible for what they’ve done as are the Americans for supporting them. But what they are doing it for is to get rid of Hamas because Hamas continues to attack them. If Hamas fully surrendered, this would stop.
For fascists, the constant state of conflict is the goal. In Netanyahu’s case this is doubly true, because he could end up in prison if his government collapses.
So if Hamas unconditionally surrendered and all the hostages were returned, you think Isreal would continue to attack and starve Gaza? They simply couldn’t - that would actually lose support from the U.S. if that happened.
Isreal had repeatedly rejected ceasefires and agreements doing that.
Negotiated ceasefires would always have conditions. That’s not an ‘unconditional surrender’.
We’re at the point where Israel consistently calls everyone in the area hamas, or anyone opposing them. Even if hamas did surrender like that they’d continue because well not all of them laid down their arms, that baby was being trained to shoot us
This entire thread you’re entire argument is just
people who have been starved, oppressed and ethnicly cleansed should just surrender to those doing it to them
why would they? It is a project by Netanyahu’s government to control the region and they seem to be doing their job well even now. Governments don’t kickstart organizations like this without having some moles in their high up rankings.
BS. Netanyahu may have encouraged Hamas at some point , but they only continue because they want to hurt Israel and they don’t care about the starving children in Gaza any more than Israel does. Look on these message boards; many people refuse to put any blame on Hamas. Just me suggesting Hamas should surrender evokes responses only about how Isreal is responsible. It seems that the supporters of Gaza don’t want Hamas to surrender - they say they don’t like children starving, but seemingly not so much that they’d like Hamas to surrender. It’s really strange when you think about it.
The blame will only be on the occupier alone
In that context, Israel has an obligation to root out and destroy Hamas in Gaza.
Israel only obligation to get the hell out of palestine, you genocide supporter
You’re a genocide supporter then. Hamas wants to genocide Israel. And you are supporting Hamas.
I don’t support Israel’s actions in Gaza.
I was just pointing out that by calling it an occupation, then an occupying force has the responsibility of providing safety and stability to the occupied lands. And Hamas, in that context, would be a barrier to that.I don’t support Israel’s actions in Gaza
Do you mean the genocide and Israeli terrorism?
Hamas wants to genocide Israel
The only genocide supporter is you, Israel is the one doing a genocide right now. Even after a century a free Palestine would never be able to commit any genocide . Hamas said they will drop arms once occupation end. Even if they lie , Israel could easily reoccupy.
I only defend resistance against the occupying force the IDF, i never supported hamas killing innocent civilians.
You are the type of people who would have sided with slave owner and Nate turner killed kids during his revolt and talk about how Nate was the reason why slavery persisted. You would have sided with France and Britain and called Algerian and Indian resistance the reason why occupation lasted that long
I was just pointing out that by calling it an occupation, then an occupying force has the responsibility of providing safety and stability to the occupied lands.
No, Israel as a settler colonial power should get the hell out of Palestine . Hamas is not the barrier it was always Zionists and Israel. Some Arab proposed a one state for the beginning Zionists refused. Zionists leaders admitted that they always want the whole land. Israel decided to occupy Gaza and west bank in 67 nobody forced them to. The Oslo accords was PLO recognizing Israel and stop attacking it in exchange of end of occupation. What Israel did was the build illegal settlements making a two state hard if not impossible.
You Zionazis should go back to reddit because your stupid disgusting propaganda will never work
after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine - Ben Gurion
The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him. - Menachem Begin
‘Do you condemn Hamas?’ is a meme at this point. No one is taking that far-right talking point seriously.
Your argument is using a motte-and-bailey fallacy. It begins by solely blaming Hamas for the continuation of the war for not surrendering when it is quite clear that Israel has no intention of accepting such a surrender. Israel is actively ignoring a ceasefire proposal they previously agreed to right now.
Then when pressed your argument retreats to asserting most people refuse to put partial blame on Hamas. I condemn Hamas. A majority of people on here do. No one is interested in wasting their time saying that. ‘Do you condemn Hamas’ has been done quite a bit at this point. There’s nothing weird about not taking your genocide apologia seriously.
Israel would stop if Hamas unconditionally surrendered and released all hostages. They would have to, and they would. And they would continue to occupy Gaza and be assholes, but the violence would go way down and the aid embargo would be lifted.
If you all are so condemning of Hamas, why is the response to ‘if only Hamas would surrender’ so angry and attacking of Israel. Why deflect this way? Yes if Israel weren’t doing bad stuff there would be less bad stuff happening; but that’s a different thing.
You react vehemently against the notion that Hamas should surrender but claim you agree Hamas should surrender.They would have to, and they would.
This is an appeal to common decency fallacy. No one is forced to do something because it is decent. Israel is proof of that with it’s indecent attacks on civilians. The evidence we have indicates Israel’s governments wants to be at war to maintain its grip on power. They are actively ignoring a proposal that is effectively equivalent to one they already agreed to previously.
My suspicion is that Israel only agreed thinking Hamas would not. Now that Hamas has agreed to it Israel is in an awkward spot. And no doubt Israel would be even more mask off if Hamas blatantly surrendered.
so angry and attacking of Israel.
Because your argument is a collection of fallacies and genocide apologia. And it’s not the first time it’s been trotted out. Hamas isn’t the organization bombing Gaza right now. And sure Hamas definitely wanted this to happen, but that doesn’t excuse Israel’s disregard of international law and human decency.
You react vehemently against the notion that Hamas should surrender
The idea that Israel would cease attacking civilians if Hamas surrendered is false based on the evidence of a genocide being live streamed to our phones. For Israel, the genocide is the goal. Netanyahu wants to form a greater Israel and deny Palestinian statehood.
There is no justification for attacking civilians. Calling Palestinians human shields is not a valid legal or moral argument, it is a dehumanization tactic. The fact that Israel is at war with Hamas doesn’t matter. If Israel would follow international law this would end today. If Israel would acknowledge their shared humanity with the Palestinians this would end today.
Israel is the one bombing civilians. If Israel would stop bombing civilians this would end today. edit: typos
But if you agree that Hamas is despicable, why not call for it to surrender? You don’t think it would stop Israel, but it could. No, you can’t bring yourself to do that. Why? Because you don’t want Israel to ‘win’? The chance of saving children isn’t worth that much to you?
If we agree that Israel is despicable why don’t you tell them to end occupation
