I don’t give a fuck. Gooooooooooooood. It’s mainly overly wealthy people doing this. They shit and leave crap all over the mountain. Literal shit everywhere.
Come on with those absolutes… first hit on google for a commercial top of the line expedition ranges between 100k for the crazy short-track « climb the whole thing » to a relatively affordable 3k to go to the base camp…. Which is less than a whole lot of families apparently spend on vacation.
Additionally those are very important source of revenues for Nepalis…
That’s tangential but worth mentioning. At the very least I have an adopted brother over there that depends on tourists so yeah, I feel it’s a sensible argument.
My whole point is that it is such a specific and hateful position… the guy should really chill down a bit.
At the very least I have an adopted brother over there that depends on tourists
That’s the point, and that’s why the guy is not “chill” about it.
Tourism is very much a colonial economy when there is income inequity. I am sorry that your adopted brother depends on tourists for income, but that does not justify the inequity.
If you were to hire a Sherpa in the Alps or Canada, you’d be paying a hell of a lot more for the privilege of the climb. So tell us again why these rich folks get away with paying so little…
When you make the argument that the locals depend on the income, you are also implying that it’s OK the locals earn so little without these rich folks.
Nope, I’m not saying any of that. I’m just happy that he -specifically he who I very much know- can eat because some tourists pay him for his art. So in that frame it is not all negative.
Whatever the price is really, he comes from living in a monastery in India to going back to his home country and being able to sustain himself with that money.
System is not perfect but at least he eats.
If you worry about that you’ll have to consider all other inequalities in manufacturing as well… or in IT…. So why just that one example ?
Oh, that includes all of the equipment, flights, and transportation?
For one person, right? Comparing it to a family vacation proves my point. A douchebag insisting on going to a big mountain seems a little different than a family vacation…
I will never mind speaking in absolutes about this. If you care about going to Everest, you are a selfish asshole. Full stop. I don’t care that it’s affordable for you, that’s part of the problem.
I don’t care if the locals rely on the abuse, it’s still abuse.
Dude you have very weird and specific perspectives. To each their own doesn’t ring a bell? Is it an Everest specific issue or do you sell wholesale for other destinations as well?
Take that hait energy and make something positive out of it instead…
I don’t give a fuck. Gooooooooooooood. It’s mainly overly wealthy people doing this. They shit and leave crap all over the mountain. Literal shit everywhere.
It is 100% overly wealthy, selfish people and the service workers they’ve trapped with them.
Spending thousands on gear, then going all the way to Nepal (a less developed country) to climb a mountain is the very definition of “overly wealthy.”
Nothing says “I don’t care about anyone else” like insisting on being the millionth tough guy to climb a mountain, just to say they did.
I think this should be part of the risk. Leave them up there and clean the bodies up when it thaws.
Come on with those absolutes… first hit on google for a commercial top of the line expedition ranges between 100k for the crazy short-track « climb the whole thing » to a relatively affordable 3k to go to the base camp…. Which is less than a whole lot of families apparently spend on vacation. Additionally those are very important source of revenues for Nepalis…
Oh, the “locals depend on the revenue” argument. Haven’t seen that in a while.
That’s tangential but worth mentioning. At the very least I have an adopted brother over there that depends on tourists so yeah, I feel it’s a sensible argument. My whole point is that it is such a specific and hateful position… the guy should really chill down a bit.
That’s the point, and that’s why the guy is not “chill” about it.
Tourism is very much a colonial economy when there is income inequity. I am sorry that your adopted brother depends on tourists for income, but that does not justify the inequity.
If you were to hire a Sherpa in the Alps or Canada, you’d be paying a hell of a lot more for the privilege of the climb. So tell us again why these rich folks get away with paying so little…
When you make the argument that the locals depend on the income, you are also implying that it’s OK the locals earn so little without these rich folks.
Nope, I’m not saying any of that. I’m just happy that he -specifically he who I very much know- can eat because some tourists pay him for his art. So in that frame it is not all negative. Whatever the price is really, he comes from living in a monastery in India to going back to his home country and being able to sustain himself with that money. System is not perfect but at least he eats.
If you worry about that you’ll have to consider all other inequalities in manufacturing as well… or in IT…. So why just that one example ?
Oh, that includes all of the equipment, flights, and transportation?
For one person, right? Comparing it to a family vacation proves my point. A douchebag insisting on going to a big mountain seems a little different than a family vacation…
I will never mind speaking in absolutes about this. If you care about going to Everest, you are a selfish asshole. Full stop. I don’t care that it’s affordable for you, that’s part of the problem.
I don’t care if the locals rely on the abuse, it’s still abuse.
Dude you have very weird and specific perspectives. To each their own doesn’t ring a bell? Is it an Everest specific issue or do you sell wholesale for other destinations as well?
Take that hait energy and make something positive out of it instead…
It’s actually ok to not like harmful things! It’s called having integrity.
Your arrogance is astounding.
My arrogance ? Sure is… I’m the one judging everyone….
where do you draw the line of harmful things? We are by nature harmful things to a degree with all our activities…
This is not a valuable conversation, because I’ve already told you where I draw the line: somewhere BEFORE “I want to climb Everest.”
The fact that you can’t tell the difference between people traveling all the way to Everest and “everyone” makes me think you’re a bot or a troll.
Again, being judgmental is valuable, this conversation is not.
Billionaires shouldn’t exist, people shouldn’t go to Everest because they are insecure.
Not hard to understand. “But—” nothing.
Ok, you’re not even reading. Pathetic. I’ll block you now, bye!
Appealing to authority now? You’re quite a piece all around…