Okay fair enough, but that is at least slightly different than saying Proton isn’t FOSS, but I understand.

They have a pretty good FOSS standing and audits for software they distribute. While that doesn’t make it easy to host privately, it does make it trivial to see how data is shipped to their servers.

WDYM? Isn’t it?

In this case, yes. The fabs there are far too important to let them slip control. Now, if we could just build some fabs in Ukraine.

I pay for Proton and I’m very happy with it. I think they need Contact phone integration but otherwise rock solid products. I don’t like the CEO, but generally I hate them all, so I try not to think about that. Their full suite of products has treated me well for a few years now.

Not at all saying the alternatives aren’t better, just sharing my experience.

More of a fidget toy at that point. I’m in. I’d go as high as $8.

Remove the outside screen and all cameras and I’d be slightly more interested.

Were I a younger man.

Those are pretty staggering numbers considering the population has only grown by maybe 12% in that same timeframe.

Agreed in all accounts. I do use ublock on my laptop but not on mobile.

Not accessible without accepting advertising cookies, like Healthline.

Yeah, for sure. I’m not saying it is good at all, just that scraping some proportion of copyrighted material is an improvement over scraping all the copyrighted material.

That is at least an improvement over including in its corpus the entire worldwide collection of copyrighted materials.

Careful. You might burn yourself on that take.

There is probably some truth to that, but I don’t think they’re mutually exclusive. I think both can be erosive to human expression at the same time.

Simple, the problem is the erosion of human directed art. That is a much broader problem than if the music is good or not; it may be. But we want, many of us anyway, humans making and being recognized for making art. Empowering this expression is less likely if everybody begins consuming only machine made works.

Suggesting something open to doubt isn’t debatable is just not knowing what the word means. There are dictionaries available to the public.

Suggesting the device is underpowered in all contexts is just silly. If I want a device to play Stardew Valley, Braid or some other game with very different people requirements than Cyberpunk, it may not be underpowered… to me.

I get that you’re one of those people that just can never ever accept they are maybe making an objective statement about a subjective value, but you should introspect a bit. You said it wasn’t debatable. We have debated. I doubt your position. End of story.

If you want to compare this to flat earth, fine. Rest assured, nobody will likely find and follow this thread.

FWIW, I think I probably agree with some of your sentiment. It would be better if more powerful. It is underpowered for many of the modern generation of games, etc. Not for you. No problem. Maybe others will like it. ¯\(ツ)/¯

You don’t seem to understand that “underpowered” requires context. Nor do you that what we’re having here is a debate, thus making it debatable nevertheless.

Yes I agree, if we can move the goalposts where ever we want, you might have a point for your own narrow view. But there will be people that believe what it delivers to be suitable for playing the games they want to play, in which case it won’t be underpowered. Which means its status as underpowered… is debatable.

No, I meant precisely what I wrote. The point being that if it were $4, “underpowered” would be an absurd way to describe it, because value is a function of cost versus benefit, where benefit is subjective.

And how would you feel if it were $4?