• Paragone@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    There’s a much more-fundamental example:

    Socialism is when parents shelter, clothe, & feed, their children, who don’t have earnings to shelter/clothe/feed themselves.

    Every parent who feeds their babies is demonstrating socialism, no matter what their politics purport to be.

    Keep the framing universal, & that guts the gaslighting’s position MUCH more effectively.

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    • Soleos@lemmy.world
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      4 days ago

      Thanks for sharing that idea! I appreciate what you’re getting at: that basic care (food, clothing) embodies the tenet of equality in socialism. However, the example of a parent feeding a child doesn’t quite capture the power-relations, freedoms, and systems aspects of socialism. I don’t think we really want to say a master feeding/clothing their slave or a king feeding/clothing a favorite court jester is really “demonstrating socialism”. Socialism is about how society as a whole arranges ownership, production, and resource distribution (i.e. collective ownership of the means of production). It’s a counter to capitalism.

      Parental relationships are, ironically, a special case where limiting freedoms and greater power disparity are justified in most egalitarian systems. We usually don’t give children ownership over the means of production.

      Good formal description: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/socialism