Preliminary assessment: Supreme leader likely hurt in Israeli strike • Netanyahu says objective to end Ayatollah's regime • Trump confirms US operation in Iran, tells IRGC to lay down arms
If Iran was not the country it currently is, I would condemn the attack.
Iran being the country it is, all I can say is - I doubt if this brings about any beneficial change.
There are very few examples of regimes collapsing purely due to aerial bombardment. I can recall only one example (Libya) and it had opposition in control of some cities, ready for battle with government troops (which got bombed on their way to attack the opposition)… and not much happiness resulted from it anyway.
Proud? Please explain because it seems you’re not replying to me.
I live in Estonia, that’s in North-Eastern Europe unless you know. We aren’t bombing Iran and couldn’t even if we wanted badly.
But our ally (Ukraine) is being bombed with weapons purchased from Iran and subsequent designs improved upon Iranian ones. I am also keenly aware that the Iranian regime has killed well over 10 000 of their own people to supress protests, and maybe as much as 30 000 (though I’m not convinced it’s that high, it just seems the realistic top end of the estimates). That’s a lot.
I am also aware that Donald Trump does not do humanitarian interventions, so the “current thing” is not a humanitarian intevention. It’s a boring ordinary war with one ruler (a wannabe tyrant named Donald Trump) going at another ruler (an actual tyrant named Ali Khamenei) who failed to submit to his demands. There seems to be another ruler involved, a wanted war criminal called Benjamin Netanyahu seems to be cooperating with Trump. This makes it embarrassing to look at, emphasizing that the current thing has nothing to do with international law.
A humanitarian intervention arguably could have occurred on the night when the IRGC and Basij started shooting masses of people. It did not occur.
In the best case, the “current thing” could have some side benefits to the Iranian people, but those are unlikely to become realized and could be dwarved by unpredictable harms caused.
As a result of the situation explained above, I find it impossible to say any words of support to anyone involved, only criticize them all. The word “proud” implies support. So you are extremely wrong to think I’m proud about anything happening there currently, and I don’t think others should be either.
Also, if you’re literally using the same type of propaganda that Putin uses. The Ukrainian government was bombing eastern Ukraine before the war up to 2022 leading to 3500 civilians killed, and this is Putin’s justification for invasion. Why are you using Putin’s tactics?
The Ukrainian government was bombing eastern Ukraine before the war up to 2022 leading to 3500 civilians killed, and this is Putin’s justification for invasion.
You are misinformed.
Do you actually know that war in Eastern Ukraine started in 2014? Have you read the timeline?
Yes, when a land war occurs, both sides will be shelling each other.
The casualty numbers due to Ukrainian fire (you forgot to provide casualty numbers through Russian fire - why did you forget? were they too big?) are unlikely, though, since it was a low-intensity conflict. But it was intense enough to drive 1.6 million people from their homes over time.
At some point, a ceasefire was reached, with sides agreeing to remove heavy guns and missile launchers to a distance from the line of contact. Then the ceasefire failed. At all points, Russia was supporting an army of approximately 30 000 to 40 000 soliders in Eastern Ukraine, and equipping them with everything from small arms to heavy artillery.
You mention “Putin’s justification for invasion”. He was already invading Ukraine in 2022. He had taken Crimea in 2014 and had been trying to take Donbas ever since, with low intensity warfare.
His true grievance was that Ukrainians had a revolution in 2014, and drove out president Viktor Yanukovich, whom Putin had friendly ties with. He responded with military force.
Please, study history. Do not let propagandists twist you around a finger. History is complicated but if you want to be adequate at politics, you must understand the topics you speak about.
But it was intense enough to drive 2 million people from their homes
Huh, that reminds me of something. “In 2021, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Iran published statistics showing that 4,037,258 Iranians were living abroad”. I wonder if the economic sanctions destroying the Iranian life have anything to do with that?
At all points, Russia was supporting an army of approximately 30 000 to 40 000 soliders in Eastern Ukraine
And how many soldiers and dissidents is the US paying? Does Iran live in isolation without US meddling and intervention? How many anti-Iranian militias are funded in the vicinity by the US? How about the literal training of Al-Qaeda leaders?
You mention “Putin’s justification for invasion”. He was already invading Ukraine in 2022
And the US toppled the democratically elected Mosaddeq government in Iran and reinstated the Shah as far back as 1953. Funny, we only analyze history for Ukraine? Does this fall apart for Iran?
Are you perhaps related to some group which Israel has attacked? Then I would understand the desperate need to support any tyrant, as long as they are against Israel.
If I were you, I would critically examine my news sources.
70 years ago, Iran had extremely poor relations between government and parliament, but could have come through of that period without the UK + US organized coup.
The Shah could have been influenced and moderated, but nobody gave a damn.
The Islamic revolution was not the only possible outcome of the revolution to oust the Shah, but it was allowed to go that way. Nobody gave a damn.
The Iraq-Iran war could have been prevented. As it happened, it gave the ayatollahs legitimacy. They could claim to represent Iran as they were actually defending against an Iraqi invasion.
So, one act of malicious interference by the UK + US, several acts of the international community (note: of that time, with peculiarities of that time) not having any damns to give, and one act of malicious interference by the dictator of Iraq. And the various strikes and assassinations by Israel.
If Iran was not the country it currently is, I would condemn the attack.
Iran being the country it is, all I can say is - I doubt if this brings about any beneficial change.
There are very few examples of regimes collapsing purely due to aerial bombardment. I can recall only one example (Libya) and it had opposition in control of some cities, ready for battle with government troops (which got bombed on their way to attack the opposition)… and not much happiness resulted from it anyway.
The US and Israel bombed an elementary school and killed 40 Iranian girls are you proud of yourself?
It’s their own fault for not being born someplace good. /S
Proud? Please explain because it seems you’re not replying to me.
I live in Estonia, that’s in North-Eastern Europe unless you know. We aren’t bombing Iran and couldn’t even if we wanted badly.
But our ally (Ukraine) is being bombed with weapons purchased from Iran and subsequent designs improved upon Iranian ones. I am also keenly aware that the Iranian regime has killed well over 10 000 of their own people to supress protests, and maybe as much as 30 000 (though I’m not convinced it’s that high, it just seems the realistic top end of the estimates). That’s a lot.
I am also aware that Donald Trump does not do humanitarian interventions, so the “current thing” is not a humanitarian intevention. It’s a boring ordinary war with one ruler (a wannabe tyrant named Donald Trump) going at another ruler (an actual tyrant named Ali Khamenei) who failed to submit to his demands. There seems to be another ruler involved, a wanted war criminal called Benjamin Netanyahu seems to be cooperating with Trump. This makes it embarrassing to look at, emphasizing that the current thing has nothing to do with international law.
A humanitarian intervention arguably could have occurred on the night when the IRGC and Basij started shooting masses of people. It did not occur.
In the best case, the “current thing” could have some side benefits to the Iranian people, but those are unlikely to become realized and could be dwarved by unpredictable harms caused.
As a result of the situation explained above, I find it impossible to say any words of support to anyone involved, only criticize them all. The word “proud” implies support. So you are extremely wrong to think I’m proud about anything happening there currently, and I don’t think others should be either.
Also, if you’re literally using the same type of propaganda that Putin uses. The Ukrainian government was bombing eastern Ukraine before the war up to 2022 leading to 3500 civilians killed, and this is Putin’s justification for invasion. Why are you using Putin’s tactics?
You are misinformed.
Do you actually know that war in Eastern Ukraine started in 2014? Have you read the timeline?
Yes, when a land war occurs, both sides will be shelling each other.
The casualty numbers due to Ukrainian fire (you forgot to provide casualty numbers through Russian fire - why did you forget? were they too big?) are unlikely, though, since it was a low-intensity conflict. But it was intense enough to drive 1.6 million people from their homes over time.
At some point, a ceasefire was reached, with sides agreeing to remove heavy guns and missile launchers to a distance from the line of contact. Then the ceasefire failed. At all points, Russia was supporting an army of approximately 30 000 to 40 000 soliders in Eastern Ukraine, and equipping them with everything from small arms to heavy artillery.
You mention “Putin’s justification for invasion”. He was already invading Ukraine in 2022. He had taken Crimea in 2014 and had been trying to take Donbas ever since, with low intensity warfare.
His true grievance was that Ukrainians had a revolution in 2014, and drove out president Viktor Yanukovich, whom Putin had friendly ties with. He responded with military force.
Please, study history. Do not let propagandists twist you around a finger. History is complicated but if you want to be adequate at politics, you must understand the topics you speak about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas
Huh, that reminds me of something. “In 2021, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Iran published statistics showing that 4,037,258 Iranians were living abroad”. I wonder if the economic sanctions destroying the Iranian life have anything to do with that?
And how many soldiers and dissidents is the US paying? Does Iran live in isolation without US meddling and intervention? How many anti-Iranian militias are funded in the vicinity by the US? How about the literal training of Al-Qaeda leaders?
And the US toppled the democratically elected Mosaddeq government in Iran and reinstated the Shah as far back as 1953. Funny, we only analyze history for Ukraine? Does this fall apart for Iran?
Bullshit made-up Zionist propaganda. Even washington-based NGOs give figures well below the 10.000. Stop spreading fucking Nazi propaganda.
I wonder what causes you to lie, when you have information available that indicates the contrary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025–2026_Iranian_protests
Are you perhaps related to some group which Israel has attacked? Then I would understand the desperate need to support any tyrant, as long as they are against Israel.
If I were you, I would critically examine my news sources.
Lmfao the Wikipedia article literally references the 7000 figure I gave you from my link, can you read?
Yes, Israel has attacked people like me: with a heart and a functioning brain. Which of the two are you lacking?
Iran sells weapons to Russia because the West sanctioned Iran for opposing genocide.
Sanctions on Iran pre-date the genocide in Gaza by a long time.
I wonder which countries played roles in it becoming like that. This would be what the 4th time Israel and USA have done/attempted regime change?
I know the history. It’s bitter.
70 years ago, Iran had extremely poor relations between government and parliament, but could have come through of that period without the UK + US organized coup.
The Shah could have been influenced and moderated, but nobody gave a damn.
The Islamic revolution was not the only possible outcome of the revolution to oust the Shah, but it was allowed to go that way. Nobody gave a damn.
The Iraq-Iran war could have been prevented. As it happened, it gave the ayatollahs legitimacy. They could claim to represent Iran as they were actually defending against an Iraqi invasion.
So, one act of malicious interference by the UK + US, several acts of the international community (note: of that time, with peculiarities of that time) not having any damns to give, and one act of malicious interference by the dictator of Iraq. And the various strikes and assassinations by Israel.