An excellent suggestion was made to concentrate Iran conversation and posting to this mega thread. Please keep as much as you can here so that the main feed isn’t overburdened by Iran news.

  • Eczpurt@lemmy.world
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    20 hours ago

    Is there anyone that can help an out of the loop fellow such as myself? I know of the war but I have no idea how and why it started. I thought Israel was all over palestine as of late. And now everyone in the area and the USA are involved?

    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
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      6 hours ago

      its a distraction from the epstein files, he timed the moment he was asked to “depose in front of congress”. Israel needs the distraction too from his own internal problems.

    • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
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      20 hours ago

      Who benefits from Trump’s war in Iran? The answer is disturbingly clear.

      Who wants Iran bombed off the map, for their own reasons? Who are their rivals and enemies? Perennially, the Gulf Arab states, countries like Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar.

      You know, Qatar. The country that just gave Donald Trump a really, really nice $400 milion-dollar plane, a gilded flying palace for his own use both during his presidency and after?

      And you remember the United Arab Emirates, recently structuring a totally pointless crypto financial transaction so that $2 billion of it was stuffed into the Trump family’s otherwise worthless brand-new crypto financial firm?

      And you remember the Saudis who stuffed $2 billion into the pockets of Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner just as Trump’s first term in office came to a close? Enough people were alarmed about that they actually bothered to come up with an excuse for what made it OK. They said, don’t worry, Jared will never again work for the U.S. government; he’s never coming back to Washington, so we’ll never have to worry about having someone involved in U.S. policy who has also been given billions of dollars by Saudi Arabia.

      Well, who was leading the negotiations on behalf of the United States with Iran before we just started this war with them? I mean, Secretary of State Marco Rubio was in St. Kitts and Nevis. It wasn’t him. It was Jared Kushner, who was recently paid billions of dollars by Iran’s chief rival, sitting alongside Trump’s tiny real estate friend, Steve Witkoff, whose son recently sought to improve his family fortunes by going to Qatar to seek money from its sovereign wealth fund.

      https://sh.itjust.works/post/56168528

    • comrade_twisty@feddit.org
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      20 hours ago

      Some guy who regularly shits his pants raped kids with a guy that worked for mossad. He and/or mossad had that guy murdered a couple years ago. People started asking too many uncomfortable questions recently so this was the best course of action.

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        19 hours ago

        The Mossad informant obviously returned all of the blackmail on Trump to them. Must be pretty bad if they can make him do a war so easily.

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      19 hours ago

      Iran has been a headache for a long time. Much like in America and Israel, violent religious fundamentalists took control over society and installed a reign of terror.

      This has of course been bad for the Iranians, but America of course could not care less about that. However, Iran has been a major concern for Israel, as they are an unreliable an aggressive neighbour. Again, don’t let the irony get lost on you. The threat of Iran maybe managing to develop nukes has been a particularly salient issue, and perhaps one of the driving forces behind Israel getting its own nukes decades ago.

      In short, Israel just cannot feel safe with the current rule in Iran. Or so the Israeli far right has insisted for decades, anyways. Keeping this fear high on the agenda has been key to winning elections and to get in place the far right genocidal lunatics currently in the Israeli government. Along with the fear of Palestinians of course.

      The US is of course loyal allies of Israel as their one true friend in a region full of oil. The Saudis are of course also good friends whenever they are not actively attacking America and killing civilians or journalists, but they are not quite as good at lobbying. So American interests and Israeli interests are pretty much the same, and the Iranian regime has been the face of evil for decades. Conveniently they are also super evil, so it’s easy to make propaganda.

      Recently the Iranian regime has murdered a bunch of civilians who protest the regime. The US and Israel wouldn’t usually care about dead civilians in the middle east - they certainly wouldn’t oppose it at least - but right now it provides a convenient excuse to bomb the fuck out of Iran. Trump needs this because he needs support before the upcoming election- a successful impeachment might allow the opposition to grow teeth, and if they do he could end up locked away for life.

      Netanyahu is in even deeper ship than Trump, with corruption charges at home and crimes against humanity abroad. Now that his genocide in Palestine is getting old he needs something new to keep him in power.

      Iran responds to attack by sending missiles towards American military bases in the area. American military bases are located in the surrounding countries, which is why you see newspaper headlines making out as if Iran is launching a war on every country in the regioun. They’re not, they’re just trying to strike back against America and Israel. Just like the Americans and Israelis they suck at hitting military targets and often end up hitting civilian ones instead.

        • phutatorius@lemmy.zip
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          5 hours ago

          Yeah, it’s like Russia’s endless appetite for “buffer states.” Hard to justify when you have the world’s longest border.

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          I mean, the whole point of Western imperialism, since its very beginning, was complete world dominance and Israel is a Western colony. And they got pretty close at some point (the Brits and the French devoured Africa and Asia, for example, and Algeria was a French colony up until the 1950s!), and the repercussions are felt today still, but at this point it kinda seems like an unfeasible dream (not that they’re not gonna try, ofc). The world is bigger than the West, once more, or at least that seems to be the trajectory.

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          19 hours ago

          All fascists need a good enemy, obliviate one and you have to move on to the next. The only end game to this bullshit is total apocalypse. Which of course is what the evangelical Christian supporters of Israel has been cheering for all along.

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            18 hours ago

            Rome did it first: becoming a war-led society while fighting for their survival, then erasing the only other superpower of the time, then conquering each and every land and people around the Mediterranean sea, while pretending that they were defending themselves or their allies. Took a millenia to collapse.

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              then conquering each and every land and people around the Mediterranean sea

              Not to mention the genocide Caesar led against the Gauls. And they went far beyond the Med. Last I checked, Britain is not a Mediterranean country.

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      Trump is desperate to keep the Epstein files out of the spot light so he is doing anything to keep attention elsewhere. As soon as the Winter Olympics stopped distracting people, the orange pedophile launch the USA into war.

      On the other part, Netanyahu needs to keep Israel in war so his own corruption trials do not catch up to him… with Palestine raised razed to the ground, Iran is the next target

    • CMLVI@lemmy.world
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      From my perspective, it seems like Israel knows what they have with Trump; a willing patsy who will enact their agenda, as long as they stroke his ego. So you have US-Iran talks making some level of headway, then Netanyahu whispering in his ear about how this makes him look week on terror, goading the US into action. And because Trump is Trump, he’s going to do what he thinks makes him look good and earns him and his billionaire friends money, which is wartime. So while the war itself seems pretty unpopular domestically across most political spectrum, this allows him to fulfill his own vain purposes by Israel continuing to stroke his ego, he gets to feel like the big heroic man he wishes he was by saving the world in his mind, and his echo chamber cabinet won’t go against him, so everyone says this is the right thing to do.

      And then also what everyone else says; this distracts from Epstein Files, this is part of his lead-in to trying to take over the midterms and reduce election viability through restricting mail in and electronic voting (were gonna have 2 million people vote in a single precinct in New York, LA, Chicago, etc) while rural red districts breeze on through? It’s all a ploy to keep GOP in power. It’s the most thinly veiled coup ever, and half the nation is eating it up simply because it’s “their guy”.

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        Also, the GOP is aging out. The Boomers are thinning. The Silent Generation is all but gone. The skeletons are coming out of the closet all the way up to the Supreme Court.

        Information moves too quickly now. They can’t keep the cat in the bag anymore. That’s why they’re snapping up ownership of all the news networks and social media platforms or forcing them to spy on us and figure out who we are. AI can do weeks of research in hours and doesn’t get fatigued by massive releases of documents and every average person can wield it to see for themselves.

        Israel is no longer the darling ally in latest polls. And we have no real Big Bad. When they try to manufacture one, we see right through the malarkey.

        They know they’re probably done, and maybe forever if they lose this time. Goodbye cushy lifestyles and jobs, and their generational wealth. And of course they will have to answer for all their evil deeds if they are forced to relinquish power to a party that is currently getting lambasted for being do-nothing, hand wavy, arrogant, status-quo keeping corporate shill sellouts.

        • phutatorius@lemmy.zip
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          Also, the GOP is aging out.

          You do realize that, while old people die off, additional people become old?

          Information moves too quickly now. They can’t keep the cat in the bag anymore.

          Propaganda has never been more effective than it is now. It doesn’t matter if information gets out if it gets no share of public attention. It’s control of the narrative that matters, not the stream of underlying facts. Flooding the zone with shit works.