An excellent suggestion was made to concentrate Iran conversation and posting to this mega thread. Please keep as much as you can here so that the main feed isn’t overburdened by Iran news.
kinda sad a megathread is only 193 votes after over 21 hours. Has Lemmy just lost users in the last year or something? Is this place even growing at all?
What’s the point of voting a megathread when it’s always pinned?
Also it doesn’t help there’s nothing in it
I, for one, am not on Lemmy to vote on stuff. I’m hear to read actual people’s opinions.
Hey, downvotes are still votes, don’t just ignore them.
Megathreads are kinda meh tbh.
It causes new info to be buried and not seen on the front page, and a lot of the discussion also goes unseen due to the high number of comments.
Megathreads linking to daily threads though are decent
I understand how bad the world order when the USA can do whatever the heck they want is bad, but we can’t act like the Ayatollah is a martyr. The power is always bad, not exclusively when it oppresses us
We are not here to play moral game
Lemmy isnt so active and big that we need to hide things in megathreads.
I like megathreads because they improve conversation on a topic
It’s nice to get updates on events as they happen this way
I am shocked that the FIFA Peace Prize winner and chairman of the Board of Peace has decided to launch this Special Military Operation. Totally shocked.
FIFA peace prize in shambles, board of peace blown to pieces.
Trump said that this is going to last about four weeks. So he’s really going with “this will all be over by Easter” again like he did with Covid during his first term?
He just posted that three us could make bombs “forever”. Already teeing up to say this will take a long time and it hasn’t been a week
Great, so he’s got no plan for this, like everything else.
Its part of the plan to rig the elections in November for sure
Yeah, giving a prognosis on the duration of a war is usually not the best idea.
Sincerely, a Russian. We’ve been stuck in our oh so glorious three day war for over four years now.
Yeah, giving a prognosis on the duration of a war is usually not the best idea.
especially when it’s continued operation will be beneficial to him politically.
I think you mean special military operation /s
Yeah, that’s his M.O. - just do a bunch of shit that’s not the best idea.
So basically the plan is to keep air striking whatever administration fills the power vacuum until they get one they like?
The American way
This is a good development (creating a megathread) - good for user engagement and retention here.
As someone who doesn’t enjoy megathreads, is it just because people don’t want to see multiple articles in their feed? I’ve seen megathreads
- get abused by mods (mass deletion of anything even loosely related),
- user engagement is buried (100 comments in 10 different articles is better than just 500 comments in a megathread to me),
- and it’s harder to see updates/new happenings without constantly checking back in for edits.
Mod megathread’s also seems like an overreach of moderator’s role. They are now in the driver seat of a pinned, mega popular post and it goes to their head (I’ve been in communities before where they just start blanketing megathreads for anything that’s gaining traction and squash even legitimate posts). They now also have added workload onto themselves by having to curate even further what gets posted at their discretion (and competing with their own post).
Megathreads on Reddit sucked because they were truly mega, but in the olden days of forums and smaller communities you’d get hundreds, maybe thousands of people participating. A kilothread. It’s a good chance to get to know people on a username basis and it’s a good space to have discussions that would just be too fragmented on separate posts
I think the advantage is that it reads partly as a FAQ, partly as a place to read whatever commentary on the situation people seem to agree with. It’s a place where people can discuss and ask questions more generally. Other threads tend to be more about specific breaking news and developments, maybe missing the bigger picture.
They have their place, like if updates on singular events but multi day things make it just feel buried.
Especially if most comments are just from the beginning
Good in theory, bad in practice. Most people won’t see new info/comments, and will just read the most upvote ones, which in megathreads end up being weeks, or months old. So they just end up at silencing dissent and a way for mods to control the narrative.
This is a good development (creating a megathread) -
It really depends, also a bit of an experiment. There are is a plusside and downside imo. Until now, with 4k- 8k users it wasn’t necessariy and most users didn’t like it afaik. It creates also some ambiguity for mods & users, as what and how to post , engage and react and so. We’ll see how it goes.
When Russia lost planes to friendly fire, we made fun of them. It’s been 2 days and I think we’ve lost more planes to friendly fire than Russia has in years.
Back in my army days, every chopper that went down, whether in a warzone or not, was deemed an “accident” or “mechanical failure”. Once two choppers went down and we were told they just crashed against each other, lol. I don’t believe these “accidents” anymore, maybe 1 out of 10 cases but this is just a lie to keep morale up, I’m positive.
Especially when they keep changing the story.
Nah, that’s just how friendly we are. You shoot at me? Instant friends!
FWIW Russia shot themselves, so it’s not quite the same.
If the US had shot its own jets down … that’d be funny.
I have heard nothing about this.
Kuwait shot down 3 US fighters apparantly.
yeah i don’t buy the friendly fire thing either. at least not for all of them
My money is that the US didn’t give Kuwait the heads up that USAF jets would be flying through their airspace, so they never adjusted their Patriot systems to not shoot them down.
Is there anyone that can help an out of the loop fellow such as myself? I know of the war but I have no idea how and why it started. I thought Israel was all over palestine as of late. And now everyone in the area and the USA are involved?
Who benefits from Trump’s war in Iran? The answer is disturbingly clear.
Who wants Iran bombed off the map, for their own reasons? Who are their rivals and enemies? Perennially, the Gulf Arab states, countries like Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar.
You know, Qatar. The country that just gave Donald Trump a really, really nice $400 milion-dollar plane, a gilded flying palace for his own use both during his presidency and after?
And you remember the United Arab Emirates, recently structuring a totally pointless crypto financial transaction so that $2 billion of it was stuffed into the Trump family’s otherwise worthless brand-new crypto financial firm?
And you remember the Saudis who stuffed $2 billion into the pockets of Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner just as Trump’s first term in office came to a close? Enough people were alarmed about that they actually bothered to come up with an excuse for what made it OK. They said, don’t worry, Jared will never again work for the U.S. government; he’s never coming back to Washington, so we’ll never have to worry about having someone involved in U.S. policy who has also been given billions of dollars by Saudi Arabia.
Well, who was leading the negotiations on behalf of the United States with Iran before we just started this war with them? I mean, Secretary of State Marco Rubio was in St. Kitts and Nevis. It wasn’t him. It was Jared Kushner, who was recently paid billions of dollars by Iran’s chief rival, sitting alongside Trump’s tiny real estate friend, Steve Witkoff, whose son recently sought to improve his family fortunes by going to Qatar to seek money from its sovereign wealth fund.
Funny that the article didn’t mention Israel, which has been the loudest advocate for this war of aggression.
But but Hunter’s laptop!
And Hunter’s hog which MTG seemed a bit obsessed with.
This is the second time I’ve seen nevis and kitts mentioned this week.
Some guy who regularly shits his pants raped kids with a guy that worked for mossad. He and/or mossad had that guy murdered a couple years ago. People started asking too many uncomfortable questions recently so this was the best course of action.
The Mossad informant obviously returned all of the blackmail on Trump to them. Must be pretty bad if they can make him do a war so easily.
Or he’s not being coerced at all, but is motivated solely by greed and spite.
its a distraction from the epstein files, he timed the moment he was asked to “depose in front of congress”. Israel needs the distraction too from his own internal problems.
Trump is desperate to keep the Epstein files out of the spot light so he is doing anything to keep attention elsewhere. As soon as the Winter Olympics stopped distracting people, the orange pedophile launch the USA into war.
On the other part, Netanyahu needs to keep Israel in war so his own corruption trials do not catch up to him… with Palestine
raisedrazed to the ground, Iran is the next target“As soon as the Winter Olympics stopped distracting people, the orange pedophile launch the USA into war.”
Hey, Putin did the exact same thing after Sochi! Remember?
*razed
thank you
Iran has been a headache for a long time. Much like in America and Israel, violent religious fundamentalists took control over society and installed a reign of terror.
This has of course been bad for the Iranians, but America of course could not care less about that. However, Iran has been a major concern for Israel, as they are an unreliable an aggressive neighbour. Again, don’t let the irony get lost on you. The threat of Iran maybe managing to develop nukes has been a particularly salient issue, and perhaps one of the driving forces behind Israel getting its own nukes decades ago.
In short, Israel just cannot feel safe with the current rule in Iran. Or so the Israeli far right has insisted for decades, anyways. Keeping this fear high on the agenda has been key to winning elections and to get in place the far right genocidal lunatics currently in the Israeli government. Along with the fear of Palestinians of course.
The US is of course loyal allies of Israel as their one true friend in a region full of oil. The Saudis are of course also good friends whenever they are not actively attacking America and killing civilians or journalists, but they are not quite as good at lobbying. So American interests and Israeli interests are pretty much the same, and the Iranian regime has been the face of evil for decades. Conveniently they are also super evil, so it’s easy to make propaganda.
Recently the Iranian regime has murdered a bunch of civilians who protest the regime. The US and Israel wouldn’t usually care about dead civilians in the middle east - they certainly wouldn’t oppose it at least - but right now it provides a convenient excuse to bomb the fuck out of Iran. Trump needs this because he needs support before the upcoming election- a successful impeachment might allow the opposition to grow teeth, and if they do he could end up locked away for life.
Netanyahu is in even deeper ship than Trump, with corruption charges at home and crimes against humanity abroad. Now that his genocide in Palestine is getting old he needs something new to keep him in power.
Iran responds to attack by sending missiles towards American military bases in the area. American military bases are located in the surrounding countries, which is why you see newspaper headlines making out as if Iran is launching a war on every country in the regioun. They’re not, they’re just trying to strike back against America and Israel. Just like the Americans and Israelis they suck at hitting military targets and often end up hitting civilian ones instead.
Israel will never feel safe until they have annexed, conquered or vassalized all their neighbors
even then… they’ll just have new neighbors to complain about
Yeah, it’s like Russia’s endless appetite for “buffer states.” Hard to justify when you have the world’s longest border.
All fascists need a good enemy, obliviate one and you have to move on to the next. The only end game to this bullshit is total apocalypse. Which of course is what the evangelical Christian supporters of Israel has been cheering for all along.
Rome did it first: becoming a war-led society while fighting for their survival, then erasing the only other superpower of the time, then conquering each and every land and people around the Mediterranean sea, while pretending that they were defending themselves or their allies. Took a millenia to collapse.
then conquering each and every land and people around the Mediterranean sea
Not to mention the genocide Caesar led against the Gauls. And they went far beyond the Med. Last I checked, Britain is not a Mediterranean country.
I mean, the whole point of Western imperialism, since its very beginning, was complete world dominance and Israel is a Western colony. And they got pretty close at some point (the Brits and the French devoured Africa and Asia, for example, and Algeria was a French colony up until the 1950s!), and the repercussions are felt today still, but at this point it kinda seems like an unfeasible dream (not that they’re not gonna try, ofc). The world is bigger than the West, once more, or at least that seems to be the trajectory.
Sounds so much like the US
The US and Israel wouldn’t usually care about dead Arabs
Iranians aren’t Arabs.
Oops, obvisouly, was thinking about the Muslim world and getting terms mixed. Fixed.
And just for future reference: most Muslims are not Arabs.
From my perspective, it seems like Israel knows what they have with Trump; a willing patsy who will enact their agenda, as long as they stroke his ego. So you have US-Iran talks making some level of headway, then Netanyahu whispering in his ear about how this makes him look week on terror, goading the US into action. And because Trump is Trump, he’s going to do what he thinks makes him look good and earns him and his billionaire friends money, which is wartime. So while the war itself seems pretty unpopular domestically across most political spectrum, this allows him to fulfill his own vain purposes by Israel continuing to stroke his ego, he gets to feel like the big heroic man he wishes he was by saving the world in his mind, and his echo chamber cabinet won’t go against him, so everyone says this is the right thing to do.
And then also what everyone else says; this distracts from Epstein Files, this is part of his lead-in to trying to take over the midterms and reduce election viability through restricting mail in and electronic voting (were gonna have 2 million people vote in a single precinct in New York, LA, Chicago, etc) while rural red districts breeze on through? It’s all a ploy to keep GOP in power. It’s the most thinly veiled coup ever, and half the nation is eating it up simply because it’s “their guy”.
Also, the GOP is aging out. The Boomers are thinning. The Silent Generation is all but gone. The skeletons are coming out of the closet all the way up to the Supreme Court.
Information moves too quickly now. They can’t keep the cat in the bag anymore. That’s why they’re snapping up ownership of all the news networks and social media platforms or forcing them to spy on us and figure out who we are. AI can do weeks of research in hours and doesn’t get fatigued by massive releases of documents and every average person can wield it to see for themselves.
Israel is no longer the darling ally in latest polls. And we have no real Big Bad. When they try to manufacture one, we see right through the malarkey.
They know they’re probably done, and maybe forever if they lose this time. Goodbye cushy lifestyles and jobs, and their generational wealth. And of course they will have to answer for all their evil deeds if they are forced to relinquish power to a party that is currently getting lambasted for being do-nothing, hand wavy, arrogant, status-quo keeping corporate shill sellouts.
Also, the GOP is aging out.
You do realize that, while old people die off, additional people become old?
Information moves too quickly now. They can’t keep the cat in the bag anymore.
Propaganda has never been more effective than it is now. It doesn’t matter if information gets out if it gets no share of public attention. It’s control of the narrative that matters, not the stream of underlying facts. Flooding the zone with shit works.
I think this has added to the divisiveness more than people realize. We aren’t arguing over facts anymore, we’re arguing over the validity of the information in the 1st place. It kinda ties back to what the person you responded to said; social media and news sources are being merged and combined and continually consolidated, arguably in an attempt to further control the narratives. It’s probably amazing for (both) the DNC and GOP that they can easily point to a news network and say “everything here is wrong, we’re right”, as it tacitly gives their base permission to dismiss the other sides talking points. If the parties can’t even agree on facts, compromise can’t happen. Political lines grow deeper, and meaningful change and compromise becomes harder, so you end up with the chest beaters who are loud and make people feel good winning elections, while the doers and level headed fade away.
Here’s a wrbinar that may help
https://lemmy.world/post/43777365
I’m guessing nukes.
Breaking the nuclear taboo on a country that’s exhausted its ability to fight back seems like it would be buried somewhere in the Project 2025 fine print.
I mean, that’s exactly what we did last time!
I’m sure he wants to, but I think everyone is telling him no. If we nuke Iran, Iran is free to nuke us. I’m not sure if they would. But if they do, we will likely see actual WWIII. Or at least the US’ allies dogpiling Iran. I don’t know if Iran has enough allies that would join the war.
Iran doesn’t have nukes.
Because if they did, a public test would have been done, and the US would not have invaded
The nuclear option is only possible in Iran because they don’t have nukes, that’s the whole point.
Don’t count on US allies coming to save your ass.
You’re fucking up everything and arguing to invade our lands. Then the gall to assume we’ll help you do the same in other countries? Go fuck yourself. (Not aimed at you personally, don’t worry, I’m sure you understand.)
Iran nuking US would be… interesting. Murica (the bad parts) would have a chance to see what they rain down on the rest of the world. Hurts differently when it’s your own cities.
Do NOT pull us into your shitty mess. I would be tempted to cheer on the other side.
british are already allowing americans to use their bases for striking iran, lol you think EU can say no to USA? They are brothers in imperialism
I hope no one on Lemmy is so dense as to believe that Iran is better with american bombs
Israel must have real dirt on Trump to make him bomb them when they were never a threat to us, just local to Israel
they wanted to bomb iran for years now for a variety of (stated) reasons
They’ve probably just dangled some real-estate development rights, buliding resorts over the bones of murdered Gaza women and kids.
My Conspiracy is that trump is conspiring with the Global pedophilic oil elite to control the bulk of the world’s oil supply so that he can increase prices and profits for them. Pissrael is happy because they get their additional genocide
Bigger picture… US and China are going to war 2027-2028 (at least that’s what everything intelligence suggest for Taiwan).
Iran and Venezuela supplied China with large quantities of oil, removing them from the picture now means China is much easier to choke for Oil needs ending the war quicker.
That also makes senss. Its a win win win really for trump AND all american politicians. Thats why, almost all critique about the terrorist attacks on Iran are about process. “Uhhh he didnt get the correct stamp to do this” and not about the material reality of this move
Plus the current hardware gets tested.
Ugh, the AI murder keeps me up at night
china will rawdog USA, even russia and NK are just beside china geographically, lol
I mean you say that, but one country has been at war most of its life, and the other has never even won a war, let alone had any real field experience of recent modern war.
Some people aren’t that ignorant but still need to rationalize their xenophobia and bloodthirst.
You’d be surprised. The second gulf war killed at least 10 times as many Iraqi civilians as Saddam did during his many years of brutal despotism. Few people mention that.
