The morality of torturing children cause they’re not from the chosen people.

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    I mentioned in my comment from the start and before making any edit that this cannot belong to the jewish religon. Same thing happened with ISIS who adopted a false supremacist murderous and evil idology of Islam. They enslaved Yazidi women and slaughtered kids and men whom they viewed as not from the chosen people.
    How the fuck was ISIS bad but Zionism is supported by Europe and the US and Western values? ISIS never represented Islam the same way Zionism does not represt Judaism. ISIS mirrors Zionism to the theeth btw. They were colonizing lands that was promised to them by god, slaughtering and raping people for their promised Khalifite who will lead their people to rule the world. They also needed a country for them to escape “the prosecution” they experienced everywhere in the world to practice their religon and exist in peace. Does ISIS have the right to exist??

    So lets not pretend these monsters dont exist regardless of what they claim their belief is; We judge them by their actions. The Episten files showed him and Donald Trump impregnating and aborting a mentally disabled kid numerous times. Also showed him mocking a girl who was asking Jesus for help because he absolutely does not believe in any god. Also showed his 1500 galons of acid tank that is connected to the swerage system beneath. There is an ongoing investigation regarding missing bodies in his NM ranch. There is hard undeniable evidence that this monsterous elite Epestien class exist and they do everything above the laws without shred of humanity.

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    John Yoo rides again

    Cassel: If the President deems that he’s got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person’s child, there is no law that can stop him?

    Yoo: No treaty.

    Cassel: Also no law by Congress. That is what you wrote in the August 2002 memo.

    Yoo: I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that.

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    Humanity needs to decide what level of barbarism we will collectively tolerate.

    Israel has been way over the line for a while.

    If we allow them, Team Trump, and the rest of the greed first lobby to continue, i can only hope for total and complete nuclear destruction.

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      Humanity needs to decide what level of barbarism we will collectively tolerate.

      Historically, the bar has been set extraordinarily low. But that’s largely based on the question of informed consent. Articles like this aren’t going to show up on FOX or ABC or CBS, so long as the people perpetrating the crimes are Israeli. By contrast, if an Iranian or Russian or Chinese or <insert scary country here> police force engaged in such an act, it would be held up as an excuse for carpet bombing their power plants and assassinating their university professors.

      If we allow them

      We aren’t in a position to allow or disallow without a large scale mobilization of labor. Even then, a lot of what you’re talking about begins with boring bureaucratic shit like petitions and marches. The violence doesn’t just go away because some pollster can show a broad public disgust (for - again - events the major Western media isn’t interested in covering).

      Without assess to mass media, the public remains broadly uninformed and disinterested. Without a mobilized labor movement, there is no organizational support for individual dissent.

      Even when such things do exist (Italian and Spanish citizens have been at the forefront of the BDS movement), there are countervailing forces among the plutocracy that obstruct material change.

      The belief that you can unilaterally or rapidly affect sweeping international policy changes - that you are some Great Man of History who has volunteered to be apathetic - is going to drive you insane, if you let it.

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      Israel and USA have led by example and demonstrated what the world needs to do - targeted assassinations.

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      Humanity needs to decide what level of barbarism we will collectively tolerate.

      I think it already decided and the decision was that this is fine.

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      There needs to be a better way to enforce geneva conventions and UN resolutions for countries at the top. Otherwise they’ll only bring them up when it’s convenient for them.

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      We can only hope for nuclear destruction, it’s one of the few things that ANYONE can do to pay for the crimes of Israel

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      Mengele surgically attached children to each other to recreate “Siamese twins”. He removed the eyes of a twin and implanted them into their sibling. He injected Typhoid bacteria into small children and opened their skulls without anesthesia.

      The IOF is a gaggle of genocidal maniacs. They torture, maim and kill. They are not worse than Nazi Germany. Little of what humans have done on this earth is worse than Nazi Germany.

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        Little of what humans have done on this earth is worse than Nazi Germany.

        Maybe you should have a look into the Japanese “operations” in occupied China, then.

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        I’m not convinced we won’t hear about similar done in Israel. If they had any scientific incentive to do so, I have little doubt they would be willing to.

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    In some ways we should be treating the state of Israel as a serial killer. Obviously we and any courts are better knowing about this. But should we be concerned that publication changes behaviour?

    In some ways “hopefully” they are brazen and psychologically disturbed enough that it doesn’t. Because this baby could’ve quite easily just disappeared, if they thought this coming out would make them look worse. I’m sure it’s happened.

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    Is it really so that Israel hasn’t actually done enough horrible stuff in Gaza, that you have to make up blatant lies? I find this a bit hard to believe.

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      I don’t find hard to believe, they literally prosecuted a lawyer for exposing evidence of soldiers raping a Palestinian prisoner. Right after dropping charges on them.

      If anything abuse and rape is the norm for Israeli authorities.

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        The narrative that’s pervasive in America, albeit it seems to be slipping, is that Israel has historically been painted as a positive ally to America. I experienced this myself not a week ago with a friend of mine who’s just now starting to think critically of the world around them. He was shocked and didn’t believe me at first when I mentioned the atrocities of Israel, and it took quite a lot of scrolling for him to eventually see they weren’t the golden boys that news has so far painted them as.

        Whether you believe it’s AIPAC’s doing, or the defense contractors, or whatever source it may be, televised news outlets even now still seem hesitant to portray Israel in an overtly negative light.

        To sum it up more directly: If you go from “these are our friends” to “those friends are genocidal,” the population may have a hard time believing it, as it goes against that which they’ve heard all their life.

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              They are human. This kind of thinking is incredibly dangerous. “I’m a good person, and a good person wouldn’t do bad things, so nothing I do is bad” is exactly the kind of thinking that makes these IDF scumbags okay with murdering children

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              That is, unfortunately, all too human. To deny it is to fall into the same trap.

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    This is pure evil. The Jewish god is a monster…fortunately he does not exist. Believe what you want, but for me, this is proof that atheism is the correct choice…because this evil is committed in the name of the Jewish god…who is also the Christian and Muslim god…If you’re Muslim, then the Zionists are telling you that your god sanctions this against you - because they knew him first (invented him, actually). If you’re Christian, then the Zionists are telling you that your god wants this, so shut up and let it be…or he won’t send his son back to free you from your Earthly burdens. I believed in god for over 50 years of my life. This sick shit finally proved to me that god is a lie, because if god was real and as loving as I was taught, then he would be livid at these acts. I guess Christians can soothe their conscience with “what you do to the least of these…”

    I find that god cannot exist while simultaneously allowing atrocities to be enacted in his name. If you disagree, that’s fine…but for me, even if god once existed…humankind killed him with their ingrained wickedness.

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      The God of the Bible/Tanakh would be totally fine with this. Hell, for fifty bucks He will let you do all of this AND then marry the kid. Or kill it, whatever really.

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      The whole “all brown people are religious extremists” was a propoganda is what makes me mad.

      We were always told Palestinians are all fighting in the name of God. Turns out they were just defending themselves from Israel.

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      Jewish god is a monster…fortunately he does not exist. Believe what you want, but for me, this is proof that atheism is the correct choice…because this evil is committed in the name of the Jewish god…who is also the Christian and Muslim god

      Ok, but before you get too high on that horse, it’s worth pointing out that plenty of the most violent Zionists have themselves been atheist, secular Jews.

      Most of Zionism’s progenitors were basing their ideology around fascistic race science of the time. Not on any God-Belief. They believed that European Jews, by virtue of being a diaspora, were a degraded culture that could only be regenerated through colonizing a new homeland for themselves.

      To this day, Israel treats non-European Jews incredibly poorly (still not as bad as Palestinians though), regardless of how culturally or religiously dedicated they are, because Zionism is an ideology of ethnic supremacy more than anything else.

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        Ok, but before you get too high on that horse, it’s worth pointing out that plenty of the most violent Zionists have themselves been atheist, secular Jews.

        I think most American Zionists are nominally Christians. Which makes the whole business of equating Zionism with Judaism even more laughable.

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        How would you ever know?

        All of the religions involved are totally fine with this, they’ve been doing this and much worse for many centuries.

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      Israel is not committing genocide because they are Jewish, they are doing it because they are an arm of the western capitalist oligarchy and maintaining imperialist power in the Middle East is essential for controlling the global trade in oil.

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      This is also because of the thousands of tribes that were told they were the chosen ones, this is the one that survived until today.

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      This response is exactly what the fanatics point at when you criticize Israel and they conflate that with antisemitism.

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      If one chooses the fantasy, then everything else is secondary, even morality grounded in physical reality. If you can be convinced there’s an invisible spirit who wants you to stone people, then you can be convinced it’s OK to torture babies.

      As the Christians say - no one can serve two masters. This can’t be fixed without addressing the disease.

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      Atheism isn’t ever really someone’s choice. People who are atheist simply replace the “role” that god would have in their life with something else, be it devoutness to science, music, arts, their job, their favorite politician, whatever. Atheism is an absence of a god contruct in the world view of a person. The choice of an atheist is whatever else motivates them in life.

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        Your claim is incorrect!

        God doesn’t fill any “role”, friend. Thousands of years of history around the globe prove that you are fundamentally wrong.