Ugh every single time someone posts one of these articles, people in the comments act like American auto manufacturers are some monolithic entity when in reality there are only 3 American companies remaining (GM, Ford, and Tesla) and they don’t even make a majority of the cars sold on the road here and one sells nothing but EVs.
The automotive market here is mostly comprised of foreign auto makers and none of them can compete with the shady economics of Chinese EVs just like their American counterparts. What you’re arguing for here is for the Walmart or Amazon of car manufacturing to take over and create a monopoly. Once they create that monopoly, they will 100% leverage it to their advantage and raise prices sky high. Then you’ll be complaining about all the people out of work and sky high prices on cars and demand that something be done about it. How about using a little bit of knowledge and foresight to stop it before it even starts.
So, capitalism is bad or what? Just tell Western companies to lock in and stop fucking around. You only convinced me to consider a Chinese EV even more, because you have no evidence they will enshittify other than your negative vibes about China. Western ones, in the other hand, are already enshittified. I highly doubt a Monopoly will ever happen, you make it sound like absolutely all car companies will disappear, as if they won’t be able to adapt, like capitalism dictates they will.
What western companies? You guys keep trying to claim every country that builds cars is a “western” country. Are Toyota and Kia western companies? Nissan? Honda? Hyundai?
You only convinced me to consider a Chinese EV even more, because you have no evidence they will enshittify other than your negative vibes about China.
“No evidence” other than literally every “market disruptor” and monopoly in existence.
I highly doubt a Monopoly will ever happen
Oh, well if your feelings lead you to believe that then it must be true. You’ve certainly provided no evidence or reasoning why they wouldn’t completely take over when they’re undercutting everyone else on the planet with their bottemless pockets.
you make it sound like absolutely all car companies will disappear, as if they won’t be able to adapt, like capitalism dictates they will.
China controls the world’s rare earth resources. They control the lithium. They directly fund these companies and the development of these vehicles. They use slave labor. They have lax environmental protections. How do you expect any other company to compete against that? You can’t just waive your hand around and claim it’s a matter of will for other companies to compete against one of the most powerful governments on the planet.
What you’re describing has already happened in the US and China entering the market would break it. But since it’s western car companies doing it you don’t have an issue with it.
Oh, and most of those new Chinese EVs are actually way, way higher quality than even European brands.
What you’re describing has already happened in the US and China entering the market would break it.
🤦♂️
Please elaborate on how the market being divided amongst dozens of brands from nations all over the world is the same as a single, powerful entity like Amazon or Walmart controlling the entire market?
Some of the best selling cars here come from Japanese and South Korean companies, but go on with this nonsense about western companies (did you move the goal posts? I thought it was American companies just one comment ago) controlling everything. Are Japan and SK “western” countries now?
Oh, and most of those new Chinese EVs are actually way, way higher quality than even European brands.
Whoa, cool. What do you define as “quality” exactly? Most of the luxury European vehicles need very expensive maintenance on a regular basis to stay road worthy. I don’t consider over-engineering and ‘premium’ materials to be a sign of quality, I consider it a sign of marketing manipulation.
Please elaborate on how the market being divided amongst dozens of brands from nations all over the world is the same as a single, powerful entity like Amazon or Walmart controlling the entire market?
Because they’re a cartel. Next question. Brazil had a similar issue with all the big worldwide brands essentially colluding to keep prices high until the Chinese EVs crashed the market and forced them to bring prices down and offer better customer support.
What do you define as “quality” exactly?
Those Chinese EVs are actually quite simple to fix and maintain. The only issue really is getting the parts, but at least in Brazil, they have plenty of spares they imported directly from the Chinese mainland to help fix those vehicles. And in the event you go to their shop and your car needs a part that isn’t available, they’ll import said part for you and pay all of the fees - you just pay for the part and labor.
I’ll “be in a rabbit hole” from buying a new car? I don’t even know what that’s supposed to mean.
Is it supposed to be a criticism of the price? Are you suggesting we should give Trump more of our tax dollars so that he pass them along to automakers like China does to disguise the true price of their vehicles? Maybe have him take all those immigrants sitting in concentration camps and force them to work in rare-earth mines for no pay too? That’s what you’re advocating for here, along with laying off all those Americans working auto manufacturing jobs, and it’s all so you can buy one cheap new car before the enshittification begins. How gross.
No, that has nothing to do with my argument. It has to do with the fact that buying a new car in the US is a complete scam that was only allowed to happen because the western car manufacturers used regulatory capture to make an entire cartel for the market. It’s flooded with 100k light trucks, terrible payment programs, and the entire thing is designed to keep you in massive debt. A 12k dollar Geely EX2 would completely blow up this scam.
That has everything to do with your argument because that’s exactly how China sells these cars for that price. You must be ignorant of that fact and think they have some magical ability to produce something so cheaply and nobody else on the planet can figure it out or replicate it.
buying a new car in the US is a complete scam that was only allowed to happen because the western car manufacturers used regulatory capture to make an entire cartel for the market. It’s flooded with 100k light trucks, terrible payment programs, and the entire thing is designed to keep you in massive debt.
Quite the rambling rant here. What specific regulations are you referring to? How could the market be flooded with $100k trucks if nobody wants them? What do auto manufacturers have to do with payment plans? You may not be aware of this, but loans come from banks and those loans have interest rates set by the federal reserve, which sets rates for all loans. Some manufacturers do offer loans but they’re always short term with lower than market interest rates to incentivize people to buy new. Furthermore, who or what is setting the requirement that people buy brand new cars in order to trap them in this massive debt?
Ugh every single time someone posts one of these articles, people in the comments act like American auto manufacturers are some monolithic entity when in reality there are only 3 American companies remaining (GM, Ford, and Tesla) and they don’t even make a majority of the cars sold on the road here and one sells nothing but EVs.
The automotive market here is mostly comprised of foreign auto makers and none of them can compete with the shady economics of Chinese EVs just like their American counterparts. What you’re arguing for here is for the Walmart or Amazon of car manufacturing to take over and create a monopoly. Once they create that monopoly, they will 100% leverage it to their advantage and raise prices sky high. Then you’ll be complaining about all the people out of work and sky high prices on cars and demand that something be done about it. How about using a little bit of knowledge and foresight to stop it before it even starts.
So, capitalism is bad or what? Just tell Western companies to lock in and stop fucking around. You only convinced me to consider a Chinese EV even more, because you have no evidence they will enshittify other than your negative vibes about China. Western ones, in the other hand, are already enshittified. I highly doubt a Monopoly will ever happen, you make it sound like absolutely all car companies will disappear, as if they won’t be able to adapt, like capitalism dictates they will.
What western companies? You guys keep trying to claim every country that builds cars is a “western” country. Are Toyota and Kia western companies? Nissan? Honda? Hyundai?
“No evidence” other than literally every “market disruptor” and monopoly in existence.
Oh, well if your feelings lead you to believe that then it must be true. You’ve certainly provided no evidence or reasoning why they wouldn’t completely take over when they’re undercutting everyone else on the planet with their bottemless pockets.
China controls the world’s rare earth resources. They control the lithium. They directly fund these companies and the development of these vehicles. They use slave labor. They have lax environmental protections. How do you expect any other company to compete against that? You can’t just waive your hand around and claim it’s a matter of will for other companies to compete against one of the most powerful governments on the planet.
So does every single Western car company, bucko. If you want everything to be fine and dandy you’d have to move past capitalism.
Also, “Western” usually means “country that is part of NATO”.
What you’re describing has already happened in the US and China entering the market would break it. But since it’s western car companies doing it you don’t have an issue with it.
Oh, and most of those new Chinese EVs are actually way, way higher quality than even European brands.
🤦♂️
Please elaborate on how the market being divided amongst dozens of brands from nations all over the world is the same as a single, powerful entity like Amazon or Walmart controlling the entire market?
Some of the best selling cars here come from Japanese and South Korean companies, but go on with this nonsense about western companies (did you move the goal posts? I thought it was American companies just one comment ago) controlling everything. Are Japan and SK “western” countries now?
Whoa, cool. What do you define as “quality” exactly? Most of the luxury European vehicles need very expensive maintenance on a regular basis to stay road worthy. I don’t consider over-engineering and ‘premium’ materials to be a sign of quality, I consider it a sign of marketing manipulation.
Because they’re a cartel. Next question. Brazil had a similar issue with all the big worldwide brands essentially colluding to keep prices high until the Chinese EVs crashed the market and forced them to bring prices down and offer better customer support.
Those Chinese EVs are actually quite simple to fix and maintain. The only issue really is getting the parts, but at least in Brazil, they have plenty of spares they imported directly from the Chinese mainland to help fix those vehicles. And in the event you go to their shop and your car needs a part that isn’t available, they’ll import said part for you and pay all of the fees - you just pay for the part and labor.
“Because I’ll say anything to be right even if it doesn’t have any basis in reality”
Every EV is simple to fix and maintain because they’re much more simple than ICE vehicles. This isn’t anything inherent to Chinese EVs in particular.
Try buying a new car right now in the US. You’ll be in a rabbit hole so deep it’ll reach the Earth’s core.
I’ll “be in a rabbit hole” from buying a new car? I don’t even know what that’s supposed to mean.
Is it supposed to be a criticism of the price? Are you suggesting we should give Trump more of our tax dollars so that he pass them along to automakers like China does to disguise the true price of their vehicles? Maybe have him take all those immigrants sitting in concentration camps and force them to work in rare-earth mines for no pay too? That’s what you’re advocating for here, along with laying off all those Americans working auto manufacturing jobs, and it’s all so you can buy one cheap new car before the enshittification begins. How gross.
No, that has nothing to do with my argument. It has to do with the fact that buying a new car in the US is a complete scam that was only allowed to happen because the western car manufacturers used regulatory capture to make an entire cartel for the market. It’s flooded with 100k light trucks, terrible payment programs, and the entire thing is designed to keep you in massive debt. A 12k dollar Geely EX2 would completely blow up this scam.
That has everything to do with your argument because that’s exactly how China sells these cars for that price. You must be ignorant of that fact and think they have some magical ability to produce something so cheaply and nobody else on the planet can figure it out or replicate it.
Quite the rambling rant here. What specific regulations are you referring to? How could the market be flooded with $100k trucks if nobody wants them? What do auto manufacturers have to do with payment plans? You may not be aware of this, but loans come from banks and those loans have interest rates set by the federal reserve, which sets rates for all loans. Some manufacturers do offer loans but they’re always short term with lower than market interest rates to incentivize people to buy new. Furthermore, who or what is setting the requirement that people buy brand new cars in order to trap them in this massive debt?