Bozzella wrote China’s strategy to “dominate global automotive manufacturing” poses “a clear and present danger to American economic and national security.”
It threatens the hegemony of the fossil fuel car industry. If America would allow chinese cars, no one in their right mind, would buy an American gas gusler.
Another area where the US is left behind compared to the rest of the world. The speed run towards the bottom is endless.
BTW the CEO of Ford is driving a Xiaomi SU7 that he refuses to give as it’s the best car he’s ever driven.
Equality is only for the rich, bitches.
He drove the SU7 for half a year to understand what was being done elsewhere.
He chose it over Tesla because he acknowledged they were innovating.
I think you’re over analyzing what is otherwise clever marketing from the head of an automaker signaling they intend to innovate in new ways, praising your “competition” is a sound strategy.
Anyways, competition is good, china catching up is a good thing.
Catching up? Their cars are straight up better, everyone is buying BYD cars everywhere they’re sold because they’re actually excellent vehicles. Hell, brazilians, who are known for not having any sort of money whatsoever, are saving up or financing them cause the amount of money saved on gas pays for the extra price of the car within like an year.
neat, I’m not interested in shaking dicks about who has the better team.
The fact of the matter is that the US market is shutting out competition because they know they would be completely fucked if they allowed BYD/Geely there. They’re gonna turn themselves into Cuba with old cars that can’t be repaired.
Are you familiar with Chinese restrictions on their domestic market? Why do they think they deserve unrestricted access to the US and other markets when they do not extend that same privilege to their own market?
Pretty much every Western car company is allowed in China, they just have to obey local laws. I don’t think they ban entire car brands based on political bullshit.
For 40 years, china required 50% Chinese ownership of foreign automakers who wanted to sell in China, technology transfer requirements, and other restrictions. It’s only very recently that these restrictions have been eased. Combined with their decades of currency manipulation and other protectionist limitations, I don’t think it’s fair for them to expect unfettered access to other markets.
I actually like and admire a lot about China, but this just seems hypocritical.
Or as much of the rest of the world views the Chinese international model: flooding the market with “impossibly” cheap products, being a loss leader everywhere to kill the competition.
What the USA is doing is equally anti-competitive.
So now that the two leading narratives around the Chinese automotive market have been laid out here I still have no interest in shaking dicks about which is right/better.
More competition is good, China catching up ( or even being light years ahead as apologists proclaim ) is a good thing.
In 2023 the top selling car in Europe was American. In 2024 that car is still the 4th best selling. With Dacia, Renault and VW being in 1 2 3 respectively.
The American market isn’t being shut out, they still have a stranglehold on the continent and their subsidiaries sell quite well in Europe.
It’s good that China is catching up.
I’m not a China apologist, they’re literally more capitalist than the US because of that Deng cunt. And yes, I know that is their idea, Uber and Doordash did the same thing, but at this point American car companies deserve to go out of business.
but at this point American car companies deserve to go out of business.
I’ll take the bait, go on. Do tell. Why do they deserve to go out of business specifically? Just a “we hate America” position or ???
Ford sells globally though, even if BYD is legislated out of the US market, they still need to compete everywhere else - to the point where they teamed up with VW to sell a sedan in EU that they don’t offer in NA.
Catching up? China is miles ahead in regards to EV’s and innovation. And not just in that area. Luckily the western mind is still set in the China copies , China bad, China shit quality mindset, except the people who have visited China and see advancement across the board.
chinese spyware integrated into todays smart vehicles doesnt sound like something anyone wants
American spyware created by the CIA: “Aww, you’re sweet”
Chinese spyware: “HELLO, HUMAN RESOURCES???”
(both are bad. but pretending one is worse than the other is stupid)
Yes. Palantir, meta, Google, Amazon, openAI are leading US examples of valuing users privacy.
Plus that spyware myth is propaganda to convince the ignorant citizens to avoid anything Chinese but put your faith in American
spywaresolutions. Think about the F16 fighters and their kill switch.
Catching up? The US auto industry is a dinosaur.
Ugh every single time someone posts one of these articles, people in the comments act like American auto manufacturers are some monolithic entity when in reality there are only 3 American companies remaining (GM, Ford, and Tesla) and they don’t even make a majority of the cars sold on the road here and one sells nothing but EVs.
The automotive market here is mostly comprised of foreign auto makers and none of them can compete with the shady economics of Chinese EVs just like their American counterparts. What you’re arguing for here is for the Walmart or Amazon of car manufacturing to take over and create a monopoly. Once they create that monopoly, they will 100% leverage it to their advantage and raise prices sky high. Then you’ll be complaining about all the people out of work and sky high prices on cars and demand that something be done about it. How about using a little bit of knowledge and foresight to stop it before it even starts.
So, capitalism is bad or what? Just tell Western companies to lock in and stop fucking around. You only convinced me to consider a Chinese EV even more, because you have no evidence they will enshittify other than your negative vibes about China. Western ones, in the other hand, are already enshittified. I highly doubt a Monopoly will ever happen, you make it sound like absolutely all car companies will disappear, as if they won’t be able to adapt, like capitalism dictates they will.
What western companies? You guys keep trying to claim every country that builds cars is a “western” country. Are Toyota and Kia western companies? Nissan? Honda? Hyundai?
You only convinced me to consider a Chinese EV even more, because you have no evidence they will enshittify other than your negative vibes about China.
“No evidence” other than literally every “market disruptor” and monopoly in existence.
I highly doubt a Monopoly will ever happen
Oh, well if your feelings lead you to believe that then it must be true. You’ve certainly provided no evidence or reasoning why they wouldn’t completely take over when they’re undercutting everyone else on the planet with their bottemless pockets.
you make it sound like absolutely all car companies will disappear, as if they won’t be able to adapt, like capitalism dictates they will.
China controls the world’s rare earth resources. They control the lithium. They directly fund these companies and the development of these vehicles. They use slave labor. They have lax environmental protections. How do you expect any other company to compete against that? You can’t just waive your hand around and claim it’s a matter of will for other companies to compete against one of the most powerful governments on the planet.
They directly fund these companies and the development of these vehicles. They use slave labor. They have lax environmental protections.
So does every single Western car company, bucko. If you want everything to be fine and dandy you’d have to move past capitalism.
Also, “Western” usually means “country that is part of NATO”.
What you’re describing has already happened in the US and China entering the market would break it. But since it’s western car companies doing it you don’t have an issue with it.
Oh, and most of those new Chinese EVs are actually way, way higher quality than even European brands.
What you’re describing has already happened in the US and China entering the market would break it.
🤦♂️
Please elaborate on how the market being divided amongst dozens of brands from nations all over the world is the same as a single, powerful entity like Amazon or Walmart controlling the entire market?
Some of the best selling cars here come from Japanese and South Korean companies, but go on with this nonsense about western companies (did you move the goal posts? I thought it was American companies just one comment ago) controlling everything. Are Japan and SK “western” countries now?
Oh, and most of those new Chinese EVs are actually way, way higher quality than even European brands.
Whoa, cool. What do you define as “quality” exactly? Most of the luxury European vehicles need very expensive maintenance on a regular basis to stay road worthy. I don’t consider over-engineering and ‘premium’ materials to be a sign of quality, I consider it a sign of marketing manipulation.
Please elaborate on how the market being divided amongst dozens of brands from nations all over the world is the same as a single, powerful entity like Amazon or Walmart controlling the entire market?
Because they’re a cartel. Next question. Brazil had a similar issue with all the big worldwide brands essentially colluding to keep prices high until the Chinese EVs crashed the market and forced them to bring prices down and offer better customer support.
What do you define as “quality” exactly?
Those Chinese EVs are actually quite simple to fix and maintain. The only issue really is getting the parts, but at least in Brazil, they have plenty of spares they imported directly from the Chinese mainland to help fix those vehicles. And in the event you go to their shop and your car needs a part that isn’t available, they’ll import said part for you and pay all of the fees - you just pay for the part and labor.
Because they’re a cartel.
“Because I’ll say anything to be right even if it doesn’t have any basis in reality”
Those Chinese EVs are actually quite simple to fix and maintain
Every EV is simple to fix and maintain because they’re much more simple than ICE vehicles. This isn’t anything inherent to Chinese EVs in particular.
“Because I’ll say anything to be right even if it doesn’t have any basis in reality”
Try buying a new car right now in the US. You’ll be in a rabbit hole so deep it’ll reach the Earth’s core.
I’ll “be in a rabbit hole” from buying a new car? I don’t even know what that’s supposed to mean.
Is it supposed to be a criticism of the price? Are you suggesting we should give Trump more of our tax dollars so that he pass them along to automakers like China does to disguise the true price of their vehicles? Maybe have him take all those immigrants sitting in concentration camps and force them to work in rare-earth mines for no pay too? That’s what you’re advocating for here, along with laying off all those Americans working auto manufacturing jobs, and it’s all so you can buy one cheap new car before the enshittification begins. How gross.
Mercedes will 100% find a way to make this seem like ‘exclusivity’ and the demand will increase.
