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    If your enemy executes their prisoners, you learn two things:

    1. You should never surrender.
    2. You should never take prisoners when you fight them.
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      It’s like these insane old fucks running the world actually want to make sure that part of their legacy is leaving a constant trail of traumatized "other"s in their wake that will grow into the “terrorist” targets for the next generation to kill.

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    Members of Otzma Yehudit have worn noose-shaped pins in support of the bill.

    Under the proposals, those sentenced to death would be held in a separate facility with no visits except from authorised personnel, with legal consultations conducted only by video link. Executions would be carried out within 90 days of sentencing.

    The measure allows courts to impose the death penalty without a request from prosecutors, and without requiring unanimity, instead permitting a simple majority decision. Military courts in the occupied West Bank would also be empowered to hand down death sentences, with the defence minister able to submit an opinion.

    For Palestinians under occupation, the bill would close off avenues for appeal or clemency, while prisoners tried inside Israel could see their sentences commuted to life imprisonment.

    Jesus christ how long until they just fire up the gas chambers and skip this song and dance of a trial where the defendant gets no appeals, limited legal counsel, no unanimous decision, and no prosecutorial discretion? These politicians are absolutely disgusting.

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      Jesus christ how long until they just fire up the gas chambers and skip this song and dance of a trial

      We past that point ages ago. This is a purely procedural motion to legitimize the de facto summary executions and extrajudicial murders already happening in the field.

      IDF thugs have been bombing emergency vehicles, demolishing every source of potable water or edible food, and wounding children in order to lure adults out of hiding with their cries for help going back… straight to the Nakba of 1948 if we’re being honest. But it really took off in 2018, during the first peaceful March of Return. Then it accelerated enormously after Oct 7th.

      Anyone Israelis have captured since then has been brutalized solely for military intelligence and propaganda. Executing them is a matter of course. There’s a case of a one-year-old being tortured in order to extract information from his father, for instance. Palestinians who leave Israeli custody have often been so maimed and abused that they die within a few days or weeks of release. This is deliberate. Their executions would have been a formality at best.

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      They’ve been so upfront and honest with things so far, you know they won’t abuse this system in any way. I mean, only for actual terrorists, and not like 7 year olds… /S

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      The Jews have become the Nazis. How the fuck do these people go from having this done to them, to doing it to others. Fuck them all. Also want a record of everyone wearing those pins, so when we bring back the Hague we can hang them.

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        The Jews have become the Nazis.

        No, the right-wing fanatics running Israel have become an apartheid regime.

        Most Jews are decent people who are opposed to genocide and oppression. But few of those decent people are associated with the Likud or the even more rabid parties such as Otzma Yehudit.

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        You know a lot of Jews feel like Israel stole the Jewish identity and transformed it into something grotesque.

        I saw this interesting interview with a Rabbi who explained how Israel Zionist stole it’s so called Jewish identity as a means to enact terror on the middle east and hide behind “but we Jews are the victim, remember the Holocaust?”.

        This Jewish Rabbi really doesn’t like Zionism nor Israel government. I felt much more informed on the topic of how Israel Zionism formed after watching this. 15 min video if you are interested.

        https://youtu.be/JIlSHx8tgRQ

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              Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. A Czarist Russian propaganda piece still popular with paranoid antisemites.

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                  Brawndo’s got electrolytes. It’s what plants crave.

                  P.E.Z. refers to a nazi propaganda piece about a made-up cabal of satanic, pedophilic, and cannibalistic Jews who secretly ruled the world or were plotting to take over the world and subjugate every non-Jew.

                  It was a complete fabrication and total lunacy, obviously. But the nazis used it to instill fear and mistrust of the Jews, blame them for society’s problems, and attempt to justify the discrimination, segregation, and eventual holocaust.

                  And yet… less than a century later we have the Likud, Epstein, Israel bombing almost all of their neighbors to destabilize the region under some sort of eschatological and ethno-supremacist delusions, and with a standing policy to nuke the entire planet if their total defeat is ever imminent.

                  The “torment nexus” refers to a trope where a guy was talking about some tech bros who invented the torment nexus from the science fiction novel titled “don’t invent the torment nexus”…

                  i.e., the unimaginable horror was fiction, until reality changed suit to match it…

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    It’s like they have this problem with all these prisoners and camps and stuff and they need one more remedy. A last result of some kind. Like an ultimate fix. Hmmmm

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        Its quite amazing that hebrew is a language that can’t be translated by machine due to its phonetic nature. They future proofed the language at conception well before computers existed.

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      While I mostly agree, it’s really “organized” religion that is the problem. Not religion itself. And of course organized religion is just humans fucking each other over. It’s like the land was taken, so they needed another dimension to form thier group around so they could have power and influence. So they went with religion. It’s much more profitable.

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          Christianity post-Jesus but pre-Constantine. They met in small groups in a person’s home. It was a book club for how to be a better person because (setting atheist skepticism aside) that was Jesus’ original teaching.

          Once it became a state religion, it was all about the power. After the fall of Rome, the Catholic Church was effectively a nation state - controlling territory, collecting taxes, etc.

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          You can believe in whatever you want, and that would be religion. Lots of people have their own flavor of religion. Even people who go to services often have their own flavor that doesn’t line up with any specific religion. I think there is like a whole religion around simply believing in some form of god. Unitarian I think they call. Not sure if it is actually organized or not. But once you have a human leader and a body that tells all others of a religion what to do, then you are organized. And that leader and body that makes descisions for the rest is the problem.

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            When it gets down to the personal, singular level I tend to refer to it as spirituality rather than religion. When you scale it up to an organizational nature and have leadership and such that’s when I call it religion. So at least, in my brain, the word religion itself implies organization.

            Am I working with incorrect definitions of the words spirituality and religion? And if so, then what is the difference between the two?

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              Words don’t mean the same thing to everyone. And there is no real authority. Websters dictionary company or whatever is sometimes seen as one, but they are just a company trying to sell a product. So I don’t think there is a rule on this. Since organized religion is a phrase used in various places, it implies the existance of unorganized religion. This would probably be a group of people who all believe the same thing, but there is no leadership and such. That would be tough to fit under spirituality. But neither interpretation is really wrong.

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      Imagine being so fucking delusional that you wear a religious head piece at the same time you wear a glorified icon of a murder tool. How can anyone take this seriously.

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    holy shit, isreal has done a complete 180. that is nazi level thinking. like hardcore nazi thinking.

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      Sorry, but no, that’s not right.

      Your perception of Israel has done a complete 180.

      Israel, however, hasn’t changed. This is what it’s always been.

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    Putting that aside, under what jurisdiction can they make arrests when they’re occupying internationally recognized sovereign territories. The Palestinians aren’t subject to their laws.

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      Their power comes from the barrel of a gun, and they do little to hide that fact besides bad-faith arguments.

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        Fair enough, but the law binds its subjects as much as it does its judiciary. In other words, if the Israeli government can break the laws when it comes to Palestinians, what prevents it from doing the same to Israeli citizens? How can any citizenry be okay with this?

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          That’s called selective enforcement. Just because there are laws, that doesn’t magically make the system fair.

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          What you say is totally rational, which is why many of the people supporting these monsters are doing it for irrational reasons. Things like hate, anger, and bigotry seem to be very effective right now!

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          And thus you get the “and I did not speak up”. Everyone who is not affected at first thinks it won’t happen, when it does start happening to them, it’s too late.