Fuck politico and all the Springer press
none of them are allies, Russia is an enemy,
USA may well be and detanglement should be a priority but certainly the US is no longer an ally or friend. China is in the neither enemy or friend basket, much like Vietnam, Brazil etc.
Is there really not a better source for this? Politico is part of Axel Springer press, which is inherently right wing and constantly spreading lies.
Maybe? I read the article, checked if a similar article had been posted already, it hadn’t so…
Start posting interesting articles from sources you think are good and perhaps the amount of politico articles goes down?
I don’t get why politico is singled out though. Plenty of cunts own newspapers.
If you make posts with links to newspapers owned by Rupert Murdock you will get similar pushback, and that is a good comparism, just that how bad Axel Springer is, is lesser known outside German speaking countries.
Wouldn’t say China is ‘dead against’ the EU. China just does stuff which benefits them the most, I wouldn’t say they have an inherent resentment towards the EU. And unlike the US, I believe China sees that the EU is a viable partner economically and that they would do themselves a disfavour if they were damaging those relations. Something the US doesn’t understand, they just continue to isolate themselves further and further and suffer the consequences.
The EU’s concern is that if China becomes too dominant, their authoritarian politics could permeate across.
However, you are right about from China’s pov. They want to trade and be left alone (although, that doesn’t mean that China may one day not try to exert wider influence). They are trying to revive the concept of China being the centre of the world. For the Chinese, they call their country “Zhongguo” meaning “Middle Kingdom”. And before the European/Western dominance, countries were dying to form diplomatic and trade relations with China, which China kinda takes advantage of by demanding tributes from states who want to open relations. China knows they are the deal.
Well, USA is quite dominant and their imperial politics have been permeating across the world for quite some time.
Europe should probably focus inwards and try to gain more independence from outside actors. EU can do it, mostly, it just doesn’t want to because milions of voters cannot outvote a lobbying company.
With the current nation state model, people tend to side with the “lesser evil”. Before the second coming of Trump, people surveyed around the world expressed more favourable view of USA than China, although they trust neither.
Yeah. Democracy kinda forces lesser evil, no? Like you can’t find politician that has platform of any value to you, but everyone tells you to vote regardless, so you end up voting for whoever looks like a lesser evil.
I’d say form of governance beyond every person being isolated and only ruling themselves forces lesser evil, it’s very unlikely that any two people would always be in perfect alignment on every single conceivable issue. Of course in some systems you don’t get a say you so you don’t get to pick the option that you’re the most aligned with at all.
If you can’t find a politician close enough to your values, become one (or support someone you trust in doing so)
I’d also add: china wants european customers, and brands, a lot more than they want anything from the US.
The US is in an unspoken alliance with Russia and China. It is the new axis of evil and the EU should be very concerned.
You would have to be literally insane to think the US, literally the personification of the western world representing all of the values, and frankly all of the power, of all European-founded nations that have existed for the last four millennia, is on the same side as Russia – who to be clear wants to be on the same side as Europe and the US but was roundly rejected after the fall of the USSR because of literal racism despite doing every single tiny thing every single western nation asked, much to their own damage; much less China who has been ostracized and victimized by the US and EU for longer than practically any other group.
The US and EU have been the axis of evil in the world. The EU has killed more civilians than Nazi Germany with its wars and previous and continued occupation of ‘free’ nations (that cannot go against their owners’ orders without a military coup); and of course the US was the blue print for the nazis, quite famously even, and has killed so many more people around the world no intelligent person could possibly ever confuse them with ‘good,’ even in opposition to some mythologized evil.
It is the US and EU vs the entire world, as it has been since 1945 when battle lines were drawn that if you were not in central Europe or North America, you were either an enemy or a victim.
The EU can try to weasel their way out of the sinking ship now that the US is just open about everything they’re doing – and that is the only difference MAGA made, by the way, just that the US is too incompetent or uncaring to hide their atrocities – but ultimately there is too much blood staining the hands of every EU citizen to ever be allies with anyone but the US.
At best they weaken themselves and make themself an enemy or a victim to the US, only one or the other exists to the US without the Eurosphere, and at worst they’ll be speaking Russian and dealing with unregulated capitalism by the end of the decade unless they start letting fly the nukes.
China wants a ‘1st world nation’ QOL without exploitation for every citizen, and prioritizes that. Russia wants to enrich its upper class as much as possible, and doesn’t care if they step on EU toes to do so anymore since they WERE NOT REWARDED FOR DOING EVERYTHING THE WEST ASKED in the 1990s, and the US is the exact same as it has always been, except they ran out of victims in the Americas and aren’t being polite about their genocides anymore.
Pick your poison EU.
You’re getting down voted only because most people on this platform are from US and Europe.
While I get what Putin is doing now is indefensible, I have not heard a single explanation as to why Russia has been excluded from NATO and EU. Nor have I understood the western paranoia regarding China. And all I can surmise from this is that US and Europe have continued their exploitation of poor countries through corporations and tried to exclude Russia, China and their allies from the global order.
Both the EU and NATO require unaminous approval of existing members to add new members. Both organisations contain several members that have been under Russian domination within living memory. Given Russia’s frequent aggression towards its neighbours in the post-Soviet period, why would the likes of the Baltic countries trust Russia to be a reliable ally?
Additionally, Russia just straight up does not meet the Copenhagen criteria to join the EU and doesn’t have any measure of the pre-accession integration that every other applicant does
The US has been supporting Russia for a long time now and has also been in bed with China forever.
China is the fourth largest producer of arms providing weapons of murder to war torn regions. They are great because of US not despite it. With their new billionaire class they are looking a lot like a one-party version of the US government.
The EU is no saint as their policies have been linked to massive deaths and their member nations also supply arms used to kill civilians. I am unaware of EU wars killing so many people. This sounds like some pretty bizarre Russian propaganda.
You’re unaware of the Rape of Africa, which has casualties in the tens of millions if not hundreds of millions depending on how far back you want to count?
That sounds about right for EU education.
France nearly invaded Burkino Faso when they took power back btw. So this isn’t history. At least a dozen African countries are still puppet colonies for European powers and are the sole reason for the EU’s wealth and status.
I am not from the EU. Your saying that European soldiers raped Africans? Or are you saying that historically countries from the EU with their imperialistic designs have caused massive suffering? I think the later is common knowledge amongst people who care about these topics.
France almost invaded? So they tried and failed to maintain imperialistic control and Russia has stepped in. Both China and Russia have greatly increased their imperialistic presence in Africa supplying these country with arms that are used to kill civilians.
I am not sure you really supported you statement about EU soldiers causing deaths. I am sure EU nations and the USA will be happy to supply arms to the opposing sides in these countries thus enabling the cycle of destruction by imperialistic powers as they fight for control. Making money off of both sides in the conflict are the arms dealers, they are the real winners.
China is not against the EU. They have never done anything against us
China is not against the EU.
True, China is “for China”, mainly looking to profit.
They have never done anything against us.
That however is an stretch where does “against” start?
Like fueling, ICC’s wanted criminal war, Putin’s economy as he wages war on eastern Europe?
China does business with everyone and their position in the war is actually neutral. Xi Jinping is actually kinda pissed off by Putin since China had massive investments in Ukraine that have been destroyed, halted or ruined because of the war. China and Russia, in contrast of what is said in our media, are NOT allies. Or at least they are not allies as we mean it
PRC does business with everyone, criminals like Putin included, as EU does business with criminals like Netanyahu. Difference between neither Putin or Netanyahu can set foot in Europe, since they are wanted criminals by International Criminal Court.
Or at least they are not allies as we mean it
Of course not, Putin does the war crimes, PRC does the business with said criminal. It’s just business, you see.
…in league with war crimes but still, just, business.
China does business with everyone and their position in the war is actually neutral.
So neutral that they still don’t even call it war. So neutral. Wow.
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doeswants to continue to do business with everyone and hence wants to sell the image of their position in the warisas being actually neutral while being knees deep in supporting Russia’s war machine.^Fixed it for you
Fuck Politico, Axel Springer and Döpfner. Don’t share, don’t click.
But it’s politico.eu so it must be ok.
No, it’s all owned by the same publisher.
I think, it was sarcasm. But indeed, fuck them publishers
Oh great, Euro-nationalism. No, sorry, we are well on track to being the continued lapdog of the US and this sorry excuse of a chauvinism won’t change anything.
As not being lap dog of someone like?
USA: lapdog for billionaire
Russia/China being lapdog for each other as one wage war and the other profit from it?
There’s no need for nationalism: Europe can do well with other decent countries, which are not Russia, USA, China and closeted allies (such Israel/India). Australia, Canada, Japan… basically any country of this planet which is not a dictatorship and,at very last, adhere to the International Criminal Court.
Wow, the audacity of this bit**. Dude has literally been the lapdog of the US for over 10 years, undermining every single sovereign stuff we had.
Greek gov commits to waste billions on warships—that’s the story.
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The biggest disputes are Russia/Ukraine, Taiwan, trade dumping, and cyberwarfare. The EU wants Ukraine to win the war, the status quo to be maintained in Taiwan, to protect its domestic manufacturing, and to protect its computer systems from interference. I don’t know enough about the latter two to say the truth of what China and the EU are doing, I just know that the EU has disputes with China about them
I do think that a healthy China-EU relationship in the near future is far more likely than a Russia-EU one and even a little more likely than a US-EU one. There are disputes, but to my amateur eye they look more surmountable
Frankly China and the EU seem like natural allies.
If the EU didn’t fall for US brainwashing about China, they’d already be allies. If literally any EU citizen cared to learn how China’s government actually worked, instead of ‘bing bong winnie the pooh bad’ which is the entirety of the education the average western citizen receives regarding China, there’d be literally no push back to being allies with China; except of course for the fact they’d have to compete fairly with a country that has actually suffered once in its history.
The irony is that the tension with China and Russia originates from the US. The Ukraine war cannot be undone but there is less to forgive than the cruelty of WW 2. If we split from the US we could rebuild our relations with China and Russia.
That’s why I believe that the tensions with the US are superficial. We don’t act as if the US are dead against us. We play good cop, bad cop because it would be difficult to explain to European democracies that we support the war against Iran to limit the oil supply for China.
Two days ago the son of the Shah was in Berlin. At least Germany supports the regime change.
Sure, except for the small imperialist invasion of Ukraine, Russia has been the most friendly and reliable partner for Europe. I wish we could forgive and forget 🥰
Yeah and all the meddling and interference and financing far right parties and so on. They’re definitely friendly !
Unless of course you also count the decades of aggression and covert warfare against European countries (sabotage, psyops, cyberattacks etc).
But aside from that…
Whoosh
OMG samesies ❤
After ww2 germany was occupied for years. I don’t think Russia should be let off the hook for what they are doing in Ukraine.
Germany became trustworthy and stable through democratic systems and the rule of law. OP pulling an equivalence to Russia of today is insane.
I am not pulling an equivalence. I am not saying that current Russia should be treated like current Germany. I am just saying that there can be reconsiliation. Russia’s main demand is no Nato. If Europe can offer that because we split with America then we should check what Russia has to offer. Maybe Putin is willing to step down for it.
Russia’s main demand is no Nato.
This is bullshit. ‘No NATO’ is one of Russia’s many lies, a talking point, a pushed narrative, a lie they used at some point. At the same time, Putin has publicly stated intention of getting control of UDSSR land “back”.
NATO was never an enemy of a collaborative or just Russia. It was only opposition to military action.
Giving in to ‘no Nato’ is giving up on autonomy and on being able to defend, with all its consequences.
Today’s USA under Trump is more of an ally to Russia than not. Trump is actively working for Putin and against Europe. It’s just that the political and systematic environment protects us from worse, for now.
Putin has publicly stated intention of getting control of UDSSR land “back”.
Do you have a source? I know there is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics with the author being close to Putin, and there is a quote in another comment in that direction. But it requires to win a war against Europe. That’s not realistic.
NATO was never an enemy of a collaborative or just Russia.
Russia wanted to be part of Nato. Putin’s speech in front of the German parliament in 2001 looks sincere to me. On the other hand chancellor Kohl’s notes show that the West never had the intention to integrate Russia but they promised it.
Giving in to ‘no Nato’ is giving up on autonomy and on being able to defend, with all its consequences.
There is article 42 of the EU. There is also nothing preventing Nato from officially fighting for Ukraine right now.
Today’s USA under Trump is more of an ally to Russia than not. Trump is actively working for Putin and against Europe.
Deception. Trump would be impeached if that would be true. The US still have their base in Wiesbaden, they just let the EU pay for everything.
Putin would need a strong but independent EU against the US while the US needs a fractured EU to keep them paying and following their lead. Both support the right wing parties but with different goals.
Lol no…just no. NATO and Ukraine being magically run by nazis is just an excuse. Putin wants power and to rebuild the USSR.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna7632057
“First and foremost it is worth acknowledging that the demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century,” Putin said. “As for the Russian people, it became a genuine tragedy. Tens of millions of our fellow citizens and countrymen found themselves beyond the fringes of Russian territory.
That was in 2005. The writing was on the wall, and no one believed it.
“No Nato”, but did you ask why “no Nato”? That has much less to do with the US, and much more to do with them trying to recover their previous imperial holdings in eastern Europe.
Of course you can argue these eastern European countries are now imperial holdings of western Europe in some ways, but they themselves overwhemingly prefer that than to be subject to Russian rule again.
Reconciliation with Russia is only possible when Russia stops being an aspiring empire, which is unlikely to happen any time soon.
How can Russia believe to win the necessary wars? People suggest that Russia can win the propaganda war in the EU to take enough countries out of the EU and then have no opposition when conquering the Baltics. But buying ads cannot beat owning the algorithm.
The strategic benefit of the Baltics for Russia is that defending is easier. It doesn’t make sense to start a war to get them.
Russia doesn’t oppose the EU with article 42. I think it’s actually Nato and the influence of the US that they don’t want.
If there is no western European support (because for example Germany is ruled by the AfD, France by the FN and the UK by Reform… not exactly an unrealistic scenario right now, and the “algorithm” is helping them with that) then they can win, or at the very least pressure these smaller states to become vassals like Belarus is right now.
But even if you personally disagree that this is a realistic scenario, it doesn’t change the fact that the large majority of the eastern European states believe so and thus will prevent any attempts at reconciliation with Russia on EU level.
But even if you personally disagree
The US control the social networks. That’s not my personal preference but a fact.
the large majority of the eastern European states believe so and thus will prevent any attempts at reconciliation with Russia on EU level.
If they believe that soon the EU won’t protect them they would seek reconciliation immediately. They can only be aggressive towards Russia because they expect Russia to lose and to be dismantled.
Which relations specifically do you suggest we rebuild?
The Russia before the recent invasion was a Russia preparing for war. Russia has and had explicit pursued goals of destabilization of Europe and making Europe dependent. and Russia wants its UDSSR land and control back. The US isn’t the problem in that relationship. I certainly don’t want back into that trajectory.
China has its own voiced claims and seekings of foreign territories. They’re fundamentally egoistic and pursuing control and dominance. It was an asymmetric trade, making use of the open European market while having a closed domestic market. They were stealing know-how and then used subsidization to weaken and drive out European competition. I don’t want back onto that relationship and trajectory either.
We need new kinds of relations. And the US doesn’t stand in the way of that. It’s another party we need new kinds of relations with.
Maybe the people, but haven’t we learned by now you can’t trust a dictatorship? No more trade relations with dictators…
You are absolutely right in that dictatorships are unreliable and will either stab you in the back when you cozy up to them or try to stab you in the front if you don‘t. Unfortunately there are too many people and especially politicians that can‘t let go of the status quo because they either profited massively from it or in other cases at least think they did. They don‘t realize or care that the dream of prosperity by giving dictators what they want is becoming more and more of a nightmare for of us.
Simply put I think too many people are selfish and don‘t believe tensions with autocracies are negatively affecting them.
Fuck Russia. Putin and his oligarchs are a snake that nobody can trust.
Put in power literally by US and EU confrontational policies and wouldn’t exist without the westernization of Russia demanded European nations in the 1990s.
Kinda too late to kill your own monster child.
LoL This is completely ridiculous. It was a bunch of Russian oligarchs who put Putin on the Kremlin throne thinking they had a passive pawn, but instead ended up becoming the puppets themselves. After the fall of the USSR, most of the countries that comprised it did not develop into the despotic, revanchist, chauvinistic, and increasingly totalitarian country that Russia is today.
The attempt at Westernization in all the former Soviet republics in Europe also occurred, but it did not have the devastating consequences that the Russians experienced. The benchmark for what went really wrong in Russia is different and comes from within.
Two days ago the son of the Shah was in Berlin.
And the government made clear there won’t be an official meeting. Instead, he met with selected members of the Bundestag (parliament). What are you trying to say?
What they were saying is in the sentence following the one you quoted.
At least Germany supports the regime change.
Of course, as you point out, they’re making wrong assumptions or deliberately mislead. With that, what they were saying falls apart.
The way he is paraded around in the German media suggests strong political support, though.
Supporting the Shah is a bit of a political tradition in Germany, he was a well liked (by the political caste) state guest back in the day when he was running the regime in Iran. His state visits even gave the German language a new word: “Jubelperser” - “jubilant Persians”, a euphemism for agents of his security service who would beat up counter demonstrators with iron rods under the watchful benevolent eyes of the German police.
The way he is paraded around in the German media suggests strong political support, though.
Sure, there is strong political support for the idea of Pahlavi taking over again. But just not by ‘Germany’, as the user made it seem.
Important members of the biggest ruling party meeting with him suggests otherwise.
It’s a whole lot of support while still allowing some deniability.
As far as I read, he met with several foreign affairs politicians from various parliamentary groups in the Bundestag. The only named participant I know of is CDU’s Laschet. He was cited with “Of course I want to talk to Pahlavi, as he’s a person of relevance when it comes to transition in Iran.” Green’s Nouripour said, while he himself wouldn’t have attended that meeting, he yet thinks it is ok and even sensible of Laschet to speak with the various facets of Iranian opposition and that other members of his party will also attend the meeting. There are very critical voices from Laschet’s party as well as other parties. At least I do not know what they actually discussed in that meeting, so I am cautious to blindly assume they fully supported him and did not voice any concerns. Meeting a political figure from abroad does not automatically equal supporting them.
What are you trying to say? That that isn’t support? Laschet is the former chancellor candidate. That’s the highest ranking member of the CDU that still allows some form of denial. Obviously it works but why? How can the meeting be interpreted any different but as support?
Laschet is the former chancellor candidate.
So? Laschet is the current chair of the Bundestag’s Foreign Affairs Committee. Call me crazy, but I guess meeting with influential foreign political figures might have more to do with that than some election a couple of years ago.
And while he might support Pahlavi, not even his party is unanimously doing so. Meetings of political figures can also be used to voice concerns and criticism.
Hence, to insinuate that Germany supports him is at best uninformed, at worst malicious.
Of course, the meeting can be held for the personal goals of Laschet but how likely is that? Current chair of the Bundestag’s Foreign Affairs Committee, it can’t be much more official while the war is illegal.
Of course, the meeting can be held for the personal goals of Laschet but how likely is that?
No one here said that. When the current chair of the Bundestag’s Foreign Affairs Committee meets such a person (together with foreign affairs politicians from other parties), the most obvious reason for that meeting would be their respective function in foreign affairs.
Given the criticism from across a plethora of parties - involved and uninvolved - and the clear message by the government to not meet him, your statement of ‘Germany’ supporting is false: either uninformed or malicious.
The government doesn’t meet Pahlavi because it looks bad. How does it not look bad if somebody else meets him who has deep ties to the government?
Problem is that you keep on filling the circumstances with your own personal opinions/assumptions and then confuse these for facts. It is your choice to interpret these things in the most negative way possible or suspecting a conspiracy/“something bigger”, but don’t be surprised if others won’t follow you on that path and grow tired of you trying to keep that wheel spinning.
The facts are: the government explicitly stated they won’t meet Pahlavi. Pahlavi met with foreign affairs politicians / members of the Bundestag from various parties. These parties also raised concerns about this meeting. Laschet himself was cited with “Of course I want to talk to Pahlavi, as he’s a person of relevance when it comes to transition in Iran.” Details of this meeting and participants beyond Laschet are not known.
Yet, for you this is all clear and you’ll happily interpret it as a sign of support. Not only by Laschet, but the whole of Germany. What’s there left to say to that?
100% this. Its crazy to see the mental gymnastics America’s vassals do to explain how a decision that fucks them over and benefits the US/hurts our enemies was actually good for Europe.
IDK about rebuilding your relationship with Russia tho, your and their national bourgeois have such conflicting interests, and even if they wanted peace, they can’t stop the fascists in either country.
have such conflicting interests
What are the conflicts? I thought the classic threat to the US is Russian resources and German engineering. Add the full EU to that and a single economic zone from Portugal to Vladivostok would become the central market of the world. The bourgeois must like that.
The Euro bourgeois want cheap resources, Russia has cheap resources. A developed Russia means expensive resources.
