Ukraine war latest: EU agrees €90bn loan for Ukraine as Putin tells BBC the West is ‘making Russia the enemy’ - BBC News
Russia routinely makes itself the enemy by always making threats and forcing themselves on others
Classical abuser logic: they made me do it!
It’s pretty obvious to everybody that Putin is making Russia the enemy. He didn’t have to do that; Europe desperately wanted Russia to be a friend, but Putin had other ideas. It’s his conscious and explicit choice to make Russia the enemy, and he’s the one constantly talking about being at war with the west. Nobody else js doing that but Putin.
The West was making real inroads with Russia before Putin came along.
It’s the same with every dictator there has ever been, they have to manufacture a war in order to justify their iron fist.
Capitalism isn’t the best by any stretch but one of the things it’s good at is making people realise that they will be much better off financially cooperating than having a pointless little war. War generates profits for the military industrial complex, but for everyone else they cost money.
he wants the old soviet union back, where they owned most the countries in central asia, and some of eastern europe.
He wants the old Russian Empire back. Owning all the countries yes, but not even pretending to care about everyday people.
They had their purpose, moving wealth back to Russia.
Because assassinating people all over the world makes you a trusted ally. Russia will always be their own worst enemy.
We are making Russia our enemy.
- Poisoning of Viktor Yushchenko (2004)
- Energy blackmail (2006)
- Assassination of Anna Politkovskaya (2006)
- Poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko (2006)
- Murder of Sergei Magnitsky (2009)
- Energy blackmail II (2009)
- Creation of Internet Research Agency, aka troll army (2013)
- Started war in Crimea, illegal annexation (2014)
- Started war in Donbas (2014)
- Shootdown and coverup of MH17 (2014)
- Started supporting dictator Assad in Syria (2015)
- Assassination of Boris Nemtsov (2015)
- U.S. election interference I (2016)
- French Election interference (2017)
- Sergei Skripal poisoning (2018)
- Brexit referendum influence (2018)
- U.S. election interference II (2018)
- Tiergarten assassination (2019)
- Navalny poisoning (2020)
- U.S. election interference III (2020)
- COVID-19 disinformation campaign (2020–21)
- Full-scale invasion of Ukraine (2022)
- Bucha massacre (2022)
- Weaponization of energy against EU (2022)
- Forced deportation of children from Ukraine to Russia (2022)
- Migrant weaponization (2023)
- Rheinmetall CEO assassination plot (foiled) (2024)
- Election interference in Moldova & Georgia (2024)
- U.S. election interference IV (2024)
Russia is doing nothing wrong.
Also the colonization of Africa to steal all their gold and minerals while propping up warlords in exchange for armed Russian mercs that crush dissent. That’s happening right now.
There’s chechnya war and Georgia invasion, both which happened after fall of USSR
This was definitely not an exhaustive list.
Don’t forget 2015 Jade Helm Scare, where they were testing their ability to manipulate using crazy stories on social media. Russia was able to convince gov Abbott of TX to order the TX National Guard to observe training exercises in Central TX because he was convinced that Obama had ordered the army to go into Walmarts, turn them into makeshift detention facilities and was planning to round up people that voted against him in a hostile takeover of the state. Obviously, it was just a training exercise, but the fear on the right was extreme.
Now that Trump is the one ordering national guard into cities they’re a-okay with it. Just weird
Yeah the Russian propaganda machine doesn’t mind what Trump is doing.
It’s my understanding that Jade Helm was the pilot test to see what they could do with social media. Seeing how successful it was they turned their sights to the primaries and ramped up their efforts in the 2016 election.
Russia is making Russia the enemy. If they don’t like it, they can stop that today, by ending the war, and stop being massive dickheads.
Just like laws make a murder a criminal.
Lol how can he say that with a straight face.
He’s a sociopath
Vlad and his MAGA buddies can piss in the wind. GTFO of Ukraine (includes Crimea), East Prussia, Karelia, and the Northern Territories.
Idk man, I don’t remember the west forcing you to invade your neighbor for imperialist reasons.
Not to mention Salisbury
Look at what the west does to Iraq, Libya, Syria and other countries. How can Russia be safe if the US don’t continue arm restriction treaties and develop space weapons against MAD?
If there’s one consistent about the Russian nation, apart from invading their neighbors, it’s whataboutism. Yes, the US does awful things but Russia does awful things and for the same reasons.
I am not comparing. I am asking how Russia can be safe. OP asked about imperial reasons.
Russia has nukes. I don’t think anyone is going to invade Russia
Like SDI, Starshield destroys MAD.
To control China it would be very helpful to control Russia.
Oh my God, neither side is perfect. That means they must both be exactly the same, right??
If you sum up death and influence, you are making a pro Russian argument. But I wasn’t making a moral argument. OP asked for imperialist reasons. If the US doesn’t honor UN law and isn’t made so by its allies and the other powerful nations, which other options does Russia have to be safe?
Russia hasn’t done these things because they feel unsafe; they have their own imperialist ambitions and work steadily towards those goals.
Why do you think so? There are enough western analysts who stress the strategic importance of Ukraine for Russian security.
If you really believe this, you are laughably uneducated. Probably went to school outside of Europe?
Sure, let’s act like Russia, China, India and Iran didn’t commit some of the worst atrocities against humanity because someone else did something similar. <- This is a joke btw. Just like your argument 😎
Mostly Iran has been a punching bag with alot more genuine grievances against other nations than other nations have against them. Yes, their government sucks but including them in your list is a little weird.
India
Hey man, we already have enough problems to worry about without having to catch strays like this.
I don’t understand the joke.
Russia is not USSR. What did India do? What did Iran do that is among the worst atrocities against humanity? If they didn’t commit atrocities then what’s the argument?
Russia was the main political, cultural, economic, and population component of the USSR and is considered the successor state to the USSR.
Like Germany and Japan with the difference that Russia hasn’t lost the war. Still, where is the continuity in atrocities?
Syria? That country Russia very recently occupied to prop up a dictator who used chemical weapons against his own people? Or are we talking about a different Syria here?
Or are we talking about a different Syria here?
Are we? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_intervention_in_the_Syrian_civil_war
You mean the civil war between the authoritarian regime that only allowed one party to rule, and the rebels fighting for democracy?
After Congo, Iran and Chile, let’s not pretend that they were fighting for democracy.
Do you mean to tell me Ukraine started this senseless war? No? Then fuck off you dumb old man.
I think maybe Russia is making Russia the enemy.
All they had to do was nothing.
No, pootin is making Russia the enemy
Well yeah. That’s what I meant. It just doesn’t sound as catchy phrased that way.
Regularly attacking their neighbors is what makes Russia the enemy.
Russians don’t ever seem to wonder why countries around them wanted to join NATO. It’s always the USA forcing them or something.
Came here for this. Yeah, you’re the enemy because you invaded another country, and have been trying to gaslight the rest of the world about it ever since. In fairness, though, the gaslighting has worked on one particular idiot.
And all the not quite attacking but still hybrid warfare and desinformation didn’t help. All kinds of drones going over militairy locations in Europe is not a real token of friendship. Fighter jets skimming the borders are also not seen as a peaceful greeting.
While I don’t necessarily disagree, I wonder if you apply the same standards and suggest economic sanction to the USA and EU given their recent support of genocide in Palestine, or historical invasions such as Iraq or the bombing of Libya
You can call out hypocrisy if you wish, there’s certainly alot of it, but most of what I see you doing is running interference for a dictator with dreams of conquest and it makes you come across as a hypocrite yourself. If the US invades Venezuela and other nations rush military aid to them like Europe has rushed aid to Ukraine, it would not bother me even a little bit.
I’m not complaining about military aid here, I’m complaining about the rearming of the EU. I don’t want 5% of GDP to be taken away from healthcare, pensions and education and being spent in the military industrial complex when the far right is about to rule half of Europe
I would love to see sanctions against Israel and anyone who aids in the genocide of Gaza. I see no difference at all between the actions of Israel, and those of Russia. They should be treated the same.
Good, I’m glad we agree that the genocide deserves sanctions for EU, USA and Israel. Hopefully then we also agree that the rearming of the EU is undesirable and dangerous, and EU citizens should push for disarmament and for a breaking of relationships with USA and Israel, and USA citizens should do the same in their country, as is said about Russian citizens
rearming of the EU is undesirable
Sad that Putin made it necessary and unavoidable.
As an EU citizen, I’d rather have healthcare than being sent to the frontlines when the far right is in government
The EU has every right to defend itself against acts of aggression by a hostile neighbor…just like Palestinians do. Until countries like Israel, the US and Russia start acting like civilized nations…no one around them is safe.
But EU is foremost an invader. We’ve seen it with Libya, Yugoslavia, Iraq and Afghanistan, and more covertly in post-colonies in Africa by countries such as France or Belgium
The French and the Belgians have certainly been dickheads but claiming that “the EU is foremost an invader” is the most Russian psyop bootlicker nonsense I’ve heard today. Tell me who the Poles have invaded lately? The Estonians? The Slovakians? Consider that Serbia who has sworn to never ever ever join NATO is eager to join the EU.
Tell me who the Poles have invaded lately? The Estonians? The Slovakians?
Coincidental that you’d choose three countries that belonged to the peaceful Socialist eastern block, quite revealing about the nature of communism, don’t you think?
Lol! The whataboutism is off the charts. Anything to deflect from Russia’s current actions…right?
Why aren’t you also advocating for Russia to disarm, if you think the EU should?
I do advocate for Russia to disarm given The EU and USA doing it.
Not about whataboutism, I just don’t want my taxes to go to killing children in some underdeveloped country as they inevitably will if EU rearms.
A handful of politicians still honoring ancient contracts is not the same as literally invading a sovereign nation. Not even close.
Call me when the US or EU actually invade Gaza themselves. Until then Russia is FAR worse.
The invasion of Iraq was a literal invasion of a sovereign nation, nothing there either?
Don’t invade other countries. Don’t interfere with other countries’ elections. Considering Russia helped Trump get elected twice and tried three times I’m very angry at them.
I agree with not invading or interfering with other countries elections. But that doesnt really explain why Europe is antagonizing Russia in particular. Europe itself has invaded other countries like Iraq or Afghanistan, bombed others like Libya or Yugoslavia, and they still remain very attached to the king of invading and interfering: the USA. Why doesn’t Europe antagonize Israel during an ongoing genocide against Palestinians?
More tired whataboutism.
Showing the logical and moral inconsistency to point to the real reasons for the antagonizing of Russia isnt whataboutism, even if thats your favorite word over in .world.
Russia is antagonizing Europe. They’re trying to steal Ukraine. In 2014 they stole Crimea. They wage hybrid warfare against Europe, The United States, Canada and I’m sure other countries too.
In addition note that Russia internally and globally through their propaganda network supports far-right policies that I’m sure especially given your username “Socialism_Everyday” would strongly be against your beliefs.
Can I ask are you happy with Donald Trump? I’m sure you’re not and you can thank Russia for him being elected twice. Not that Russia is the only one who supported him but I’m sure it was enough to tip the scale in his favor both times he won.
In 2014, Russia intervened in Crimea and annexed it as a hard slam on the table after the USA sponsored a colour revolution in Ukraine. Leaked calls of Victoria Nuland reveal that the USA essentially chose who they would place as president in Ukraine. Russia doesn’t have the propaganda power or economic power or intelligence power to maintain its sphere of influence through soft power against the USA, so it naturally resorts to military power which is the field where it can challenge the west. Regarding Crimea in particular it’s tricky too, because Crimea had a lot of ethnic Russians and many people in Crimea actually wanted to be part of Russia, but Ukraine, as any country would do, was violating the right to self determination of Crimean people in a similar way to what Spain does in Catalonia (I’m Spanish, hence the comparison).
I obviously disagree as a communist against far right policy, but believing the far right is a problem caused by Russia is simply unreasonable. Europe is literally the cradle of fascism, and my country had a 40 year long fascist dictatorship in friendly terms with all of Europe and the USA. 20 years of nonstop austerity regardless of the government in charge in all European countries have forced people into fringe political positions, and far right is promoted by capitalist western owners as an outlet of radical energy against socialism and unions, by framing the issue as a matter of feminism, immigration and identity politics. Russia does some targeting of such things too, but believing that Russia is at fault for the election of Trump and all of the far right over Europe is simply unhinged, and blaming some other nation for all the problems of Europe is not only bad analysis but will result in bad decisions.
You should be aware as a communist Russia infiltrates both the far-right and the “far-left” (I wanted to use another term to be more respectful towards you in case you found the words far-left to be not what you call what you believe so I put it in quotes to mean that’s what other people would call it). That’s how you get communists and socialists saying things like claiming the color revolution was sponsored by the US.
For the link you posted it seems Russia would have the whole call. Why would they only leak a little bit of it? Thinking in general: what could leaking a small amount of a larger conversation do? Also reading the transcript it just seems like people discussing their opinion.
Wikipedia does a great job explaining the history of what you’re talking about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity
In November 2013, a wave of large-scale protests known as “Euromaidan” began in response to President Yanukovych’s sudden decision not to sign a political association and free trade agreement with the European Union (EU), instead choosing closer ties to Russia. Euromaidan soon developed into the largest democratic mass movement in Europe since 1989.[29] The Verkhovna Rada (Ukrainian parliament) had overwhelmingly approved finalizing the EU association agreement;[30] Russia had pressured Ukraine to reject it.[31] The scope of the protests widened, with calls for the resignation of Yanukovych and the Azarov government.[32] Protesters opposed what they saw as widespread government corruption and abuse of power, the influence of Russia and oligarchs, police brutality, human rights violations,[33][34] and repressive anti-protest laws.[33]
A large, barricaded protest camp occupied Independence Square in central Kyiv throughout the ‘Maidan Uprising’. In January and February 2014, clashes between protesters and Berkut special riot police resulted in the deaths of 108 protesters and 13 police officers,[20] and the wounding of many others. The first protesters were killed in fierce clashes with police on Hrushevsky Street on 19–22 January. Following this, protesters occupied government buildings throughout the country. Ukraine’s government resigned on 28 January. Most of the slain protesters were killed on 18–20 February, during the most severe violence in Ukraine since it regained independence.[35] Thousands of protesters advanced towards parliament, led by activists with shields and helmets, and were fired on by police snipers.[20]
On 21 February, Yanukovych and the opposition signed an agreement to bring about an interim unity government, constitutional reforms and early elections. Police abandoned central Kyiv that afternoon. Yanukovych secretly fled the city that evening.[36] On 22 February, the Ukrainian parliament unanimously voted to remove Yanukovych from office. About 73% of the parliament and members of all parties voted to remove him.[37][38][39][40] Yanukovych claimed this vote was illegal and asked Russia for help.[41] Russian propaganda described the events as a “coup”.[42][43][44]
Far-left isn’t insulting to me, I actually like those words. It implies that we’re further from the right than the left, which I believe to be true. I also don’t shy away from terms such as radical.
It’s not Russia saying that Ukraine had a colour revolution sponsored by the USA, it’s the USA itself, hence me pointing to leaked calls by Victoria Nuland and not to Russia Today. Communists were also called pro-Iran and Irani assets when they rejected the invasion of Iran, they were called Russian assets when they opposed the mass bombing of Vietnam, and they get called antisemites for opposing the genocide of Palestinians.
Wikipedia as a source for geopolitically charged topics is kinda useless. It is a source edited foremost by western men below 50, so it’s bound to portray the bias that western men below 50 portray. It almost exclusively uses western sources which aren’t reliable for geopolitically charged topics as I hope you noticed during the collective whitewashing of the genocide in Palestine that happened in front of our eyes for the past years. One only has to wonder why such “pro-democracy” and “pro-freedom” “spontaneous protests leading to regime change” only happen in countries with leadership aligned against the west, but nothing similar happens in Saudi Arabia, Morocco or Puerto Rico. I’ve read the information about the Maidan a thousand times and everything screams western involvement, including but not limited to the leaked calls I mentioned, or National Endowment for Democracy funding of NGOs and civil organizations. From the link: “In its 2015 annual report, NED admitted its grants played a role in the early stages of the 2013–2014 Revolution of Dignity protests. It allocated about $14 million between 2011 and 2014 to support Ukrainian NGOs, and credited groups like the Institute of Mass Information for active involvement in the uprising”.
Far-left isn’t insulting to me
Surprising if true because you come across as a huge bootlicker
Huge bootlicker by bringing up the sins of my empire (the west), checks out
Might have something to do with Russia attacking a European country.
Yugoslavia was in Europe too when NATO bombed it.
I also dislike the idea that only European lives matter and Europe can be allies with murderous genocidal regimes as long as they murder brown people.
When did this Yugoslavia thing happen and when was the Russian invasion of Ukraine?
What’s your point? Did the west have any problem bombing a European country?
I’m just wondering if one might be more current and topical than the other. Would you happen to know what year those things happened in?
Sure, let’s discuss more current European military operations if you want?
Geopolitics doesn’t always neatly map onto ideology. NATO itself isn’t anything more than a defensive alliance. Countries like Estonia and Finland would be in constant fear of invasion from Russia if not for NATO, that’s why they still support the US even if they may not even agree with it 50% of the time.
Go ask a Libyan or a Yugoslav what they feel about NATO being exclusively a defensive alliance. Or an Iraqi or Afghani for that matter, even if those weren’t official NATO involvements.
Countries like Finland and Estonia would be better off trying to build friendly relations with Russia that give rise to peace in the continent and questioning why the US+Ukraine blew up the Nordstream leading to hundreds of thousands of impoverished citizens in their countries, if Russia wanted to invade why was it doing economic treaties and pushing for annexion to EU until the west started meddling in Georgia or Ukraine through soft power and colour revolutions? If I were an Estonian or a Finn I’d be more concerned with the rise of the far right in my own country and the austerity policy carried out over the past 20 years.
You’re going to have to provide some sources that provide publicly verified, conclusive evidence that goes beyond simple leads or speculation for your claim about the Nordstream.
Also Russia’s economic treaties do not prove that they weren’t intending to invade anyways.
About the Nordstream, even Wikipedia echoes this…
“On August 21, 2025, the Italian police arrested a Ukrainian man on suspicion of being involved in the sabotage,[19][20][21] following European arrest warrants issued by German authorities[22] and on September 30 near Warsaw Polish police arrested another Ukrainian, who had evaded arrest since August 2024. As of September 2025 the German investigation reportedly had identified seven suspects including former members of a private diving school in Kyiv, one of whom has died.[23] In October 2025 the suspect arrested in Poland was released when a Polish court denied the German extradition request”
Economic treaties kinda do imply a good intention, don’t they? We see the opposite usually, with the USA doing economic sanctions to Iran and Venezuela and attacking them later.
Your cited Wikipedia shows that Ukrainians were involved in the sabotage not that the Ukrainian state was involved in the sabotage. Two very big distinctions here. You also haven’t show where the US was involved in this.
Economic treaties kinda do imply a good intention, don’t they?
Have you ever heard of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact?
Additionally, Ukraine’s economy was heavily tied in with Russia’s before the 2014 conflict.
I think this shows a clear trend that runs counter to your claim
Between the invasion of Ukraine, the troll farms helping inflict Trump on us, the support for fascist parties, the novichok, the airspace incursions, the underwater cable sabotage, and the deployment of drones in western countries’ airspace, that Russia’s the one who has made Russia the enemy.
Don’t fuckin’ DARVO us, Puto, we know what you’re up to. And we know that the only way this ends satisfactorily is with Putin on a meat hook.
alot of people in the western countries forget that putin has been funding all of the right wing govts plus the propaganda thats been on the rise recently. from '16-25 .
