If you live in the USA, this has Terri Schiavo-energy all around. It’s different, I know. Terri was alive and braindead. This infant is gonna die. The court is sparing the infant pain.

But why would you keep a child alive to suffer? It’s like Terri in that the parents refuse to think about anyone other than themselves. That’s just cruel / terrible / bad.

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    This has happened a couple times in the UK. It’s a lot different than the USA for a few reasons, one being the NHS isn’t gonna waste money on someone who has like a .0001% chance of recovery (and why should they?).

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      People with ALS also have a terminal condition that requires life support. Maybe the NHS will start removing their ventilators too, to spare them further suffering.

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        I hear that human life invariably ends in death…

        Why not pull the plug on all who suffer from that condition, then?

        I’m certain the nihilists would be pleased by that paradigm…

        ( I agree with you: my point isn’t to contradict you, it is to point-out where the slippery-slope leads, which is waaay farther than what you illustrated. )


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      These decisions aren’t about the cost of care, they’re about the interests of the individual and, in this case, not prolonging suffering unnecessarily.

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        Sorry, but a previous-case falsifies that that is the principle the NHS consistently is enforcing…

        THE case which falsified White-medicine’s position that “no new braincells occur in a brain after adulthood is reached” was a guy who spent 19y in a coma, after having his hemispheres sundered in a crash.

        The UK’s NHS was TRYING to get the plug pulled.

        He woke up, violating their textbooks/dogma established-“knowledge”.

        He had grown a replacement corpus-callosum 'round the back of his brain, re-connecting his hemispheres.

        I believe they hit him with sooo many CT-scans that they guaranteed his life’s shortening, then.

        Their war to unplug him had been costs-based, not what was best for the individual.

        They don’t test the current brain-condition before making these decisions.

        The US’s case, of the woman in vegetative-state, was clearly visible … iirc, in autopsy.

        Which means it also would have been clearly-visible in any CT-scan or fMRI, also.

        Same with the guy in UK who was busy growing replacement-brain for 19y, in his coma…

        His recovering would have been visible in EVIDENCE-BASED medicine, but it is authority-based medicine that identifies as evidence-based that is what really is done.

        Here is a years-old article which became a chapter in one of John Brockman’s books, stating exactly that authority-based medicine calls itself evidence-based medicine:

        https://www.edge.org/response-detail/25433

        It isn’t ballsy-enough to call that entire-profession-gaslighting, as I do, but I’m a braindamage-survivor who was gaslit by the medical-profession for decades, & the REASON that there is such a low recovery-rate for such epigenetically-enforced brain-injury isn’t that that’s an innate-requirement of the condition, but rather because when you bully people with literal-brain-decimation into knowing that it “isn’t” brain-injury, but is instead “is” “incurable mental-illness”, & you bully them into being drugged into psychiatric-zombiehood, for sake of institutional-authority & institutional-budgetary-allocations-from-revenue, THEN you force the lives-in-question to NOT adapt, to NOT heal, to NOT significantly-improve.

        IOW, it’s producing the most-establishment-profitable-result, and NOT acting in the individual’s interests, at all.

        The guy who spent 19y in a coma was reported in New Scientist, which is how I found out about it.

        My brain’s apparently done similar rewiring.

        It takes decades to recover from massive brain-injury, & NEITHER bullying people into becoming “stabilized” chemically-enforced psychiatric-zombies, NOR pulling-the-plug, ALLOWS recovery to BE.

        Sorry for being bitter, but having the White-medicine PROFESSION bully me to prevent my healing from existing, then tell me I never validly spent years much-of-the-time-catatonic-with-brain-injury, when I healed, because “healing isn’t possible”, … they can take their gaslighting-for-their-institutional-authority and go eat rocks.

        White-medicine MURDERS healing from lives, for their authority’s comfort.

        And that IS a moral crime, in my eyes.

        ( also, there is a history of it subjugating non-Whites to psychiatric “treatment” for the “mental illness” of … assuming civil-rights … , for instance, in the Deep South of the US,

        & apparently Indigenous-religions were treated as “psychiatric illness” by the profession for many decades, too.

        It’s definitely entire-profession-prejudice, & it’s unjustifiable.

        My skin happens to be white, but my reasoning is Buddhist, not White, & THAT has had my life under threat-of-chemically-enforced-obliteration, by that profession:

        their whole “souls don’t exist, & if they did, they WOULDN’T be recycled by universe, the way you’re believing: therefore your reasoning IS INSANE” kind of logic that White medicine enforces is just exactly prejudice.

        THERE IS NOTHING, WHATSOEVER, CONTAINED WITHIN UNIVERSE, THAT UNIVERSE DOESN’T RECYCLE.

        THAT is considered “insane” by White Physicalist-religion.

        It’s blunt physics!

        Physics includes ALL phenomena in universe, including mind.

        The White-religion which pretends that “mind isn’t real”, & that it somehow “isn’t” within physics…

        … so the measurable process-difference between a disintegrating-corpse vs a growing-organism “isn’t” in physics??

        Ideological-rabies ought not have any right to authority, medical or scientific.

        Ever.

        I would put it right in all our constitutions, that EVIDENCE-BASED medicine is an inalienable-right.

        Fuck institutional-authority based medicine that identifies as “evidence-based”, no matter how established. )


        This does not mean that in the case that the OP is about is of that nature, but it means that systematically they are not what you’d told us their institution is.

        That, alone, is what I am attacking: a well-entrenched disinformation.

        Not you, … just that meaning.


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