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US military investigators have said it is likely its forces were responsible for a strike on a girls’ school in Iran that killed scores of children and has been condemned as a war crime, according to a report by Reuters.
The attack on the Minab girls’ school in southern Iran on Saturday is believed to have killed at least 165 people, mostly children under the age of 12.
The UN’s education agency, Unesco, said the attack was a “grave violation of humanitarian law”.
US war secretary Pete Hegseth said on Wednesday that the military was investigating the incident. Investigators have not reached a final conclusion and it is still unclear what evidence contributed to their assessment, Reuters reported, citing two unnamed officials.
It was also unclear what type of munitions were used and who was responsible, the outlet said.
An investigation by news outlet Middle East Eye determined that the attack on the school was a “double tap” strike – where a target is hit a second time in order to kill rescuers who come to the aid of the injured.
“When the first bomb hit the school, one of the teachers and the principal moved a group of students to the prayer hall to protect them,” a Red Crescent medic told the outlet, citing conversations he had with survivors.
“The principal called the parents and told them to come and pick up their children. But the second bomb hit that area as well. Only a small number of those who had taken shelter survived.”
The UK has joined the war on Iran – which is illegal because it was not approved by the UN or US congress – by allowing the use of its bases for strikes against the country.
Prime minister Keir Starmer has claimed the UK’s involvement is an act of self-defence, despite the fact the US and Israel started the war.
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Orange man already says that he thinks Iran did it.
So, I think we can probably take that as a confession from his part.
Oopsie Poopsie we murdered 200 kids.
Try them for war crimes
We won’t even try them for regular crimes
Justice is dead for the rich and powerful
Every deployed soldier who was involved with the strike should be tried. As a former CAF member you don’t get the benefit of “oops” when you conduct an illegal and unlawful order.
At the very least. I prefer drawn and quartered but that’s just me 🤭
“Are we the baddies?”
Without a doubt we are.
Yes, but they’re ethic females so have zero value to Trump
Yes, but they’re ethic females so have zero value to America
FTFY
America never cared about brown ppl
Likely responsible
So, not even admitting that you’re fully responsible???
They most likely used AI for the operation and want to be sure how much responsibility they can get out of it.
shame, shame on you
US war secretary Pete Hegseth said on Wednesday that the military was investigating the incident.
You mean the same guy who said “None of those stupid rules of engagement”?!?
Well I’m just shocked that this would happen. Shocked, I tell you…
Absolutely monstrous to double tap a school. That doesn’t happen by accident, as so many things do in war. Disgusting.
Even if the school had been a legitimate target in a legal war, double-tapping any site like that is a war crime. The second strike is specifically targeting people providing aid.
Kind of like a second strike on a boat meant to kill anyone who survived the first strike?
It’s too bad that the US government doesn’t recognize the ICC. I doubt anyone in the Trump administration will ever be held accountable for their war crimes.
A double-tap missile strike is actually worse than the second boat strikes. The point of them is to draw aid workers to the site and kill them for trying to help.
How much you bet they let their AI choose targets and AI simply went for maximum efficiency.
That moment when you realize you forgot to uncomment a line.
#import law.international #TODO: uncomment before releaseOops.
you’re absolute right! I shouldn’t have targeted a school. I am sorry. Next time I will do better. Thank you for telling me.
Remember, I am a large language model and I am not qualified to give military advice. In any actual conflict you should always speak to your team of military advisors and strategists
With that in mind, are there any other locations I can help you target today?
Or, if you’d like, I can help draft an international press release denying accountability and blaming a software malfunction for our double-tap mistake?
DoW: Our AI autonomously targeted a school, please let us use yours instead Anthropic so we can blame you instead
ifwhen this happens again!
Accident and deliberate aren’t the only two options. I think the most likely cause is gross negligence on the part of intelligence (who may have been relying on outdated information).
Gross negligence carries culpability. It’s still a war crime because the responsibility for due diligence is on the attackers.
To show that it was deliberate is another matter entirely. There’d have to be evidence that they knew it was a school full of children and that they ordered the attack anyway. Why would they do that?
Double-tapping anything is a deliberate war crime. The second strike is specifically intended to kill people providing aid.
Deliberately Negligent.
They fired most of their specialists on the region, so that will probably be their excuse. But honestly, firing all of your specialists is kind of an acceptance of this kind of BS.
I mean we don’t know for sure (afaik) it was intentionally the school, just that they were involved.
Double taps are always planned though.
Edit: Could have been bad intel that didnt indicate it was a school for example
Seems hard to miss… I’m sure they have maps somewhere. Or Google Maps. They were not raiding a town being occupied by military forces that may have been occupying a school, they were bombing the capital of a country in peace time.
Grrr, there’s the real target!
I’m not convinced they have the right people in place to bother to double check anything at this point.
The double tap clearly means the target was the target, and not some missile shot down or failure that set it off course.
Pantir probably said it was something else, and it AI slopped them.
The dangers of giving up rationale to an algorithm.
Fair on the potential for bad intel.
Or maybe the intel was fine and it was gross incompetence putting the coordinates in.
My MAGA family members are on Facebook saying that “they” (whoever “they” are, idk) intentionally put the girls in that school to be bombed so “the Democrats will have something to whine about.”
It’s such an astonishingly ghoulish take that has no logical basis at all; these people are beyond redemption.
“They intentionally had schoolgirls in a school for girls that we were targeting with missiles in order to give the other guys something to whine about”. I don’t know what kind of twist in thinking you’d need to make that sound perfectly legitimate and good reason.
Hard to believe one can be that stupid. Or maybe they are just evil
Show them the pictures of the corpses and challenge them to look at these for more than 10 seconds
Yeah, my own GOP family members watched the videos of Renee and Alex being murdered by ICE and said very similar things.
These people… The GOP and their supporters… They are genuinely evil.
Authoritarians are fundamentally cowards. They take the side of whoever is strongest, then invent a rationale if pushed to do so.
Honestly their take is so egregiously bad, somewhere deep down I bet they are already on the fence.
Just respond: “Listen to yourself.”
You might break through this time with how things are.
The Trump boat has never been more on fire. It’s time to jump off, and a lot of them are starting to sense it.
I could be wrong, but I guess we’ll see.
Used to hear that a lot about Palestine… But then I would only see videos of IDF soldiers literally using human shields.
Lemme get this straight… they intentionally put children in a school?!?!?
Ah yes, they did it so republicans would blow up their kids so those CRYBABY libruls would get upset!!! That makes SOO much more sense now why KIDS would be in a SCHOOL.
Cause that’s totally an explanation that a sane person would come up with…
/S
funny, not like the Dems give a damn when children are slaughtered by American bombs.
I just started saying “guess you’re not going to heaven with that opinion” and walking away while their face gets red, steam starts coming out of their ears, and they start proving to you why they are the chosen ones.
For some reason it really bugs them.
Holy shit, this is the best thing I’ve seen all year. Right up there with Harley Quinn Cancer Ray.
Ah yes, a military base that was not being used to attack the US.
Those shitty woke Democrats only care when innocents get murdered, that is why we send our daughters to be raped by Trump so Iran can’t take their virginity.
That’s why they have been calling everyone else “cuck”. They wish they could offer their wives and daughters in sacrifice to God Emperor Trump.
What if we march on Washington and citizens arrest this administration and every Israeli backed politician and apologize to the world? I’d rather do that than destroy the world for genocidal pedofile religious extremist psychopaths
The signature of Whiskeyleaks
Avoiding civilian deaths is woke
I wanted to believe that it wasn’t us, but there’s isn’t any malice or incompetence I could put past this administration.
I wanted to believe it was someone else too… But I sure as fuck knew it was us when I read the news earlier this week.
Ultimately, even if Israel were the ones that did the strike, whose bombs were they using? And whose taxes paid for those bombs? And whose leaders worked with them to start this bloodbath?
Don’t worry, the targets were designated by “AI”, so nobody will be held responsible.
Don’t involve AI here. If they admitted plain and simple they did it on porpoise, there wouldn’t be consequences either.
I don’t think those students were dolphins…
I agree… But do not understand. Why dolphins?
Autocorrect wrote porpoise in your comment as opposed to purpose. Porpoises are in the dolphin family.
I won’t blame autocorrect, English is not my main language and I don’t think I can write purpose right without cheating. Maybe I pronounce it wrong, but what I say when I read purpose is nothing like what it should be.
Ahh, fair enough. It was a bad joke anyway, on my part.
If you have an accent that is probably what tripped up the TTS. The words purpose and porpoise are said remarkably similarly in certain accents.
American culture is imperialism.
No, we are way worse. Our super power is extinction. Where we kill off all our enemies and take what was theirs. Not just a war, an extermination.
There’s no malice you should put past any US administration. Weddings aren’t any more okay to bomb than schools.
I have to wonder if any of those third party / Stein voter / no voters are having second thoughts as to their voting choice in the previous binary election.
These deaths would not have occurred with Harris.
By the logic of these folks in the past, does that mean they are complicit with all deaths to follow?
Edit: I’ll take that as a no. At least from the lemmy.ml tankie spillover bridgade below. Some serious BoTh SiDeS bullshit going down.
So I’ll take this moment to note a PSA:
- Democratic Primaries are happening now.
- If you care about getting AIPAC conservatives out of the party, now is the time to vote and reform the party! Hell, even run for office! Donate, speak loudly! This is your moment!
- Once Midterms come around, we ALL need to vote Democrat across the board, regardless of state to leave nothing up to chance because we know the known-quantity that is Republican fascism is ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE worse than anything Democrats have done.
- Anything less than this is far-right online disinfo ops trying to sow defeatism and slow turnout. Don’t fall for this fascist bullshit! Thank you.
I have to wonder if liberals started blaming democrats for their shortcomings if the party would actually change and become electable.
These deaths would not have occurred if Biden had put someone in charge of the DoJ willing to prosecute Trump for… anything really.
See how easy this is?
I put most of the blame on Biden, but I also noticed one was unwilling to fundamentally address my points. Curiously, most of the people who complain about Democrats don’t seem to be very engaged in the Democratic primaries. By all means, I hope said groups (btw I’m not “Liberal” unless Bernie and AOC and Mandani and Talarico are) engage heavily in these primaries and push out AIPAC and conservative Democrats just the same.
But at the end of the day, the point remains: (1) Binary outcome election. (2) Milquetoast vs. Pure Fascism. Anything less than voting Milquetoast was a +1 for Fascism and the death of these Iranian children. (Again, using the same logic as these groups used for Biden and Gaza). See how easy that was?
Now again:
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Is there regret for not voting Harris? (hindsight 20/20 and also making the massive assumption this poll is as accurate as people actually voting – lest we just use polls to vote instead of voting itself, right?). So far, I’m taking it as a no.
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Are Uncommitted / Third Party / Couch-Sitters complicit in these deaths the same way complicity was drawn with Biden and Gaza by the logic of these same groups?
At the end of the day you’re angry or upset or critical at the wrong people. Voter apathy is the issue at hand and milquetoastyness is the problem.
You would rather place blame on people voting FOR SOMETHING, than the party who has shit the bed so many times that the majority of Americans dont vote at all. Truly oblivious to the fact you’re misplaced criticism might just be the straw to break the camels back on those people’s engagement.
I’ll take “milquetoastyness” over outright fascism any day. Would I love more progressive candidates across the board? Yes, absolutely! (By the way, are you engaged in your Democratic Primaries in your state right now?)
And so would any other sane, rational individual.
It’s kind of like the 1 nazi at the table argument. If you’re willing to sit out an election when literal nazis are running even if you don’t identify as one, and don’t absolutely love the alternative binary non-fascist choice, then you’re basically still a nazi.
The idea that the Democrat Party aren’t pro-Fascism abroad, is hilarious.
Good old, Obama was so cool with blowing up civilians that he go the criteria for “enemy combatant” changed to pretty much “any male” in order to keep claim that when weddings were blown up on his signed order, they were hitting “enemy combatants”.
Americans voting for the “other murderers” party makes very little difference for the kids in the Middle East they inevitably murder.
Now this comment is hilarious and demonstrative of wide range of folly, not only of that particular history, but improper use of the term fascism. False equivalence fallacies aside, tell me:
- Who in the world IS doing things right to you and who has been in power for at least 8 years or more?
- Yes or No: Putin and Xi are war criminals, too. (no deflections).
I pass your litmus test for engagement. You are kind of missing my point and talking past me though so you’re not passing mine.
Turns out commenting on posts and being involved with the primaries are not mutually exclusive.
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The war is happening because it’s Israeli policy. The Biden administration’s policy was to facilitate Israeli policy entirely. The Harris campaign’s position was to adopt the Biden platform entirely. Having a super lethal military was her big announcement at the dnc convention. In the campaign, she criticized trump for being too weak on Iran. I don’t know why people think she would be better.
No Palestinian, or Iranian school children would feel safer or even as-safe with Trump than Harris as bound by the coalition of Democrats who included Rashida Tlaib herself and Bernie Sanders and other vocal critics of Israel. I certainly wouldn’t for me or my family! I’d be outright praying for Harris and I’m not even religious!
Are you involved in your state Democratic primaries? Who are you supporting in said primaries?
(edit: This person’s evasiveness and wedge-driving vector suggests a far-right bot that most likely does not originate from America. Tag them.)
Those children only see US bombs raining down on them.
lol. As if ‘the coalition’ has ever allowed itself to be influenced by Talib even a little. Biden presided over, and participated in an active genocide. When given the opportunity to break from that policy, Harris doubled down on it in spite of political interests.
Wake me up when Tlaib stops being a Democrat then.
Until then, she knows what you do not.
Are you involved in your state’s Democratic primaries? Whom are you supporting to change the makeup of the Democratic party!?
Look, I agree with the sentiment that we need to participate in the primary process and create a better pool of Democrats. The party needs to be entirely reformed. Part of that process is smacking down comments that suggest that anyone with as destructive a history as Harris could reasonably represent such change. Fact is, Harris is entirely representative of the corrupt, feckless, collaborative nature of the modern Democratic Party. It is her and what she represents so well, that has built a party that has facilitated the rise of right wing fascism for at least 40 years. We should have no tolerance for the likes of Harris.
I had much criticism of Harris as I did Biden. But Biden proved to be better than Trump in a myriad of ways:
- Climate Change
- Ukraine policy
- Taiwan policy
- COVID/Vaccine response
- LGBTQ+ Rights
- Women’s Rights
- Education policy (tried for tuition forgiveness for the working class, blocked by Republicans).
If we only focus on one aspect of someone’s policy (which even then I refuse to believe Harris is as bad as Trump on Gaza), it can skew the big picture.
Unfortunately, my vote for Harris wasn’t ideal; it was simply a matter of damage-control. It’s my firm belief that these US service-members would not have been sent. It’s my firm belief that these 100+ Iranian school children would not have died. Leaving aside all the issues I previously mentioned where Harris and the ENTIRE Democratic party is objectively-better on (leaving aside, you know, Harris, Biden, Obama, etc. NOT being in the Epstein Files).
Even if every eligible voter has turned out, Trump would have won.
https://www.npr.org/2025/06/26/nx-s1-5447450/trump-2024-election-non-voters-coalition
Let’s place the blame where it belongs.
Or if you want to insist on blaming the left, blame Harris for not running a better campaign.
Two things can be true at the same time.
Indeed, it takes the aggregation of numerous groups to put someone past the post for a win; each subset pointing the finger at another does no good.
I put most of the blame on Biden, but I also noticed one was unwilling to fundamentally address my points:
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Is there regret for not voting Harris? (hindsight 20/20 and also making the massive assumption this poll is as accurate as people actually voting – lest we just use polls to vote instead of voting itself, right?) So far, I’m taking it as a no.
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Are Uncommitted / Third Party / Couch-Sitters complicit in these deaths the same way complicity was drawn with Biden and Gaza by the logic of these same groups regretful of their choice?
I’m not entirely sold that a war with Iran wouldn’t have happened under Harris. She was a supporter of Israel and her unwillingness to change her stance on the genocide helped usher in her defeat in the election.
Again, considering even if the couch sitters had voted Trump would have still won, I’m not sure why you’re insisting that there should be blood on their hands for this.
The Democratic Party has a problem with fascism - they like it as much as Republicans, they just put a prettier wrapping on it.
But Harris publicly stated she sought a 2-state solution, called for a ceasefire, and sought to wind down the conflict overall. Regardless, I don’t think anyone in their right mind wouldn’t prefer Harris over “turn it into the Riveria” Trump who said, “Finish the job.”
One is a known quantity; the other is an unknown quantity.
Again, considering even if the couch sitters had voted Trump would have still won
Again, respectfully, polls aren’t votes. We don’t know that. If polls were as accurate as votes, we wouldn’t need to go vote.
The Democratic Party has a problem with fascism - they like it as much as Republicans
In the words of Carl Sagan, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I see no extraordinary evidence for what can only be described as boldfaced false equivalence gaslighting, but I am also unsurprised this narrative is so common for misinformed tankies.
I think people would trust the DNC again if they started doing things to help people instead of just function as a halt to leftward politcal progress when it’s their turn.
As it stands, I really don’t care what they say they stand for or do, I don’t really trust the DNC to do much of anything other than maintain the status quo and quietly expand the RNCs horrors.
Not that my vote even matters in our wildly broken election systems. The vote always goes to the DNC candidate and has done so for nearly four decades.
There’s really just no way to actually vote for supporting the worker in the US. Hoping for change from Congress or the President is a fools gambit.
Please elaborate on how you feel your vote does not matter in your Democratic primaries!
I’ll just write what I wrote elsewhere. I had much criticism of Harris as I did Biden. I also believe we should all be EXTREMELY vocal about the influence AIPAC crap and center-right conservative politics has on the Democratic party. By all means, this is the primaries – be vocal and critical of the DNC. But it should be noted that Biden proved to be better than Trump in a myriad of ways:
- Climate Change
- Ukraine policy
- Taiwan policy
- COVID/Vaccine response
- LGBTQ+ Rights
- Women’s Rights
- Education policy (tried for tuition forgiveness for the working class, blocked by Republicans).
If we only focus on one aspect of someone’s policy (which even then I refuse to believe Harris is as bad as Trump on Gaza), it can skew the big picture.
Unfortunately, my vote for Harris wasn’t ideal; it was simply a matter of damage-control. It’s my firm belief that these US service-members would not have been sent. It’s my firm belief that these 100+ Iranian school children would not have died. Leaving aside all the issues I previously mentioned where Harris and the ENTIRE Democratic party is objectively-better on (leaving aside, you know, Harris, Biden, Obama, etc. NOT being in the Epstein Files).
A two state solution is supporting the genocide, let’s be real here. Harris didn’t convince enough voters that she wasn’t going to be beholden to Israel and that’s on her and the Dems. And Biden, frankly.
Trump also brokered a ceasefire that Israel broke time and time again.
Considering the Dems once again allowed enough votes to allow this admin to continue their war in Iran, what more evidence needs to be presented? They profit from war the same as their Republican counterparts.
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The rest of your comment aside: “These deaths would not have occurred with Harris” is pure wishful thinking. Unfalsifiable yes, but it flies in the face of 80 years of bipartisan US foreign policy towards Iran (and Israel).
We can’t know for sure, of course. But we do know whom Bibi preferred and didn’t prefer.
We also know Harris has already publicly condemned this war. It isn’t much, but it’s unquestionably better than the rapist pedophile who also caves to Putin at every turn.
Israel donated more to Harris’ campaign than Trump’s campaign, btw.
That’s true. I also saw Bibi meeting with candidate-Trump more than Harris.
Couple private Mar-a-Lago meetings, if I recall.
Leaving aside PAC donations from zionist Miriam Adelson, second only to Musk in givings.
You really believe Netanyahu preferred Harris or Biden over Trump?
I think Netanyahu knew that both candidates were going to support Israel regardless.
You think one person trying to have a conversation with you is a brigade?!
Truly wild how my server scares .world into hallucinations.
Edit: he tagged me from a conversation in this thread and still doesn’t even realize he is only talking to one person…
I’m not even from your server lol
The paranoia!
I love that I already have you tagged lmao.
Yes or No: Western Leaders aside, Xi is a authoritarian war criminal, as well as Putin.
Try your best to answer yes or no without Whataboutism deflection.
Edit: Oof, they dodged this mightily lol. First comment they downvoted and refused to acknowledge thus far.
How convenient!
Don’t engage with any moron who thinks “not voting” is a useful strategy to get anything done.
I hear you. I don’t expect much from them; I engage to ensure newcomers who know no better don’t get fooled – which is their objective to deceive.
The sooner you unlearn the propaganda that the US are the “good guys” of the world, the better. It isn’t just about this administration either. There has never been a time in our history where we weren’t needlessly cruel, as a matter of policy.
Likely? WTF! The religious fucknut, Kegseth, said “no limits.”
